Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[SteveRogers]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

Here’s a question for you: If you’re so confident in your position on this issue, why don’t you just state your position rather than engaging in this asinine line of questioning?

[SteveRogers]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

Fair enough, jimrtex! So let me ask in a more specific way: do you believe that it is appropriate for Chauvin to be charged with homicide?

I'm not trying to needle you or ask you loaded questions. Yours is simply a perspective that isn't being expressed all that frequently.  

We will eventually see the videos of when Floyd was resisting being placed in the squad, and placed in the squad car. There has been a video showing both rear doors open and officers reaching in from both sides, but not showing Floyd, which apparently led to Floyd being removed and placed on the ground and restrained.

It is unknown what some of the body cams will show, because they will be at a close distance and likely jerking around.

So Officer Chauvin may not have recognized that it was fentanyl intoxication rather than alcohol intoxication. I don't know whether you would use different restraint techniques. I assume placing someone on their back might result in more pressure on the chest, greater risk of breaking ribs, more pressure on the throat. Placing someone on their side would be more unstable as they could roll easier.

Was Chauvin trained to use a knee on the shoulder rather than the neck? Or was he trained to use as shoulder on the neck?

Was more force used because Floyd was black? Certainly more force was used because he was male and 6'4" and what he was wearing. Being black may have enhanced the perceived threat.

I think that the charges against the other officers are bogus. Officer Thao was protecting the other officers from possible attack. Officers Lane and Kueng were on the back and legs, knees. All three face a 40-year sentence for aiding and abetting an assault that led to death. They might not even be assaulting but merely:

have "intentionally aided, advised, hired, counseled, or conspired with or otherwise procured another to commit a felony offense [of] assault in the third degree".

Unless we want to assume some grand conspiracy, "advised, hired, counseled, or conspired with or otherwise procured another" are out. It was not a professional hit on Floyd with Chauvin set up as the patsy (to my belief which tend to discount conspiracies).

So you get a jury to be convinced that it was an assault in the third degree (inflicts substantial bodily harm). Then you get them to decide that the defendant intentionally (1) held the knees; (2) held the back; or (3) prevented bystanders from stopping the assault. You get a guilty verdict, and sentence them to up to 40 years.

If you thought they were participating in an assault you would have charged them with assault.

So you run three separate trials, honing your arguments, or you get a plea bargain for aiding and abetting second degree manslaughter (not more than 10 years; and get a minimal sentence perhaps for time served assuming the trial is not for a couple of years).

The newest charges against Chauvin omit that Floyd was saying that he could not breathe while standing up, but note that Floyd said "thank you man" when he was arrested.

The autopsy now has the toxicity report. I don't know how to interpret the fentanyl and amphetamine amounts. Presumably fentanyl decays fairly quickly. If you administered a dose to last all day it would kill you, so you have to continually use small amounts?

Floyd was also tested positive for Covid-19. The autopsy said that he had previously tested positive on April 4 - but the virus can be detected by a nose swab even this much later. That was fairly early, particularly since Minnesota has not been hard hit as places like Chicago or Detroit. So was he symptomatic, or tested because of an outbreak at the night club where he was a bouncer.

Would you be prescribed Opioids if you were feeling chest pain, or would that further suppress breathing?

Sorry about asking about Justine Damond. That was a trick question. She was a white woman who was shot by a Somali-American Minneapolis cop. She had called 911 reporting that she had heard a woman being raped or having loud sex. The police did not find anyone, and were slowly driving down an alley with lights out. Damond approached and was shot outside an open window by the surprised officer.

Your entire wall of text ignores the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck AFTER he had stopped moving. Regardless of what Chauvin’s intent was before that or any preexisting conditions Floyd might have had, at that point Chauvin knew or should have known that he was contributing to Floyd’s death.