Multiple Victims Reported Shot In San Bernardino

[SteveRogers]

Meh. 'Too soon' etc.

As there is a shooting pretty much every day, it's always too soon, by definition.

Yep, everybody go ahead and reset your "Can We Talk About Gun Control Yet?" clocks

[SteveRogers]

My God, on 9/11 you tools would probably be making snarky comments like "if only the World Trade Center had a gun" wouldn't you?

No because on 9/11 everyone in the country immediately agreed that we should try to do something to prevent similar tragedies from occurring in the future.

[SteveRogers]

Yeah, not sure why everyone is suddenly jumping to ISIS. I'm not saying it's not ISIS-related, but we have literally no information about the identity or description of the shooters other than they're wearing "some type of military-style gear."

[SteveRogers]

Watching CNN. Looks like they just pulled a body out of the SUV, so at least two suspects dead.

[SteveRogers]

I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

Nobody is saying "all Muslims".

Were you or were you not speaking positively about Japanese internment in this thread last night?

[SteveRogers]

I posted a video clip from an ABC documentary about how the US. Government's depiction of the Japanese was that of subhuman cockroaches. They attacked us. They were our enemy. We were at war. They were willing to kill themselves to kill innocent people. How is that any different than our enemy today other than the fact that they aren't a specific country or from a specific country's military?

Where did the rules of war change between 1945 and 2015? Does the United States just give up? Back off?

We had a liberal President (Harry Truman) who had two options: 1. Invade Japan or 2. Nuke Japan. There was no third option of retreat.

It seems like today there is this liberal mentality of trying sooo hard to dismiss attacks as incidents or enemies as "lone wolves". Why are you afraid of admitting we are in a broad struggle against those who pervert Islam?

We didn't just depict Japanese soldiers as subhuman, but rather the entire Japanese race. Did you literally not watch the very next minute of the video you posted where it talked about how that mentality lead us to round up loyal American citizens and lock them in internment camps because their skin was the wrong color. That was a very, very, very bad thing. Your argument is bad.

[SteveRogers]

My side has won, why should we give an inch?  More people can own guns, more people can carry guns and crime is down.  Plus, this is an easy issue to debate.  Your side is all emotion and doesn't really understand the topic.  It makes it frustrating sometimes, sure, but easy.

And most of us on this side are willing to give an inch.  I believe most of us are not against 100% background checks.  Most of us want to make sure crazy Bob can't get a Glock at the next gun show.  I know the gun control nuts want to get rid of guns even on days where a mass shooting doesn't happen (and they are not happening "exponentially more often", I've been meaning to make fun of you for that...seriously, you said "exponentially"....wtf?), but you guys generally only want to talk about it after one.  Again, emotion.

Except you know good and well that congressional Republicans will draw a line in the sand on both of those extremely moderate reform proposals.