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Adam Griffin
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« on: January 10, 2020, 06:42:54 AM »
« edited: January 10, 2020, 06:45:55 AM by President Griffin »

If you had both Steyer and Sanders essentially on the favorable side of viability statewide and Biden at ~35, that could potentially change a lot. Of course both non-Biden candidates would likely be missing out on any delegates in multiple congressional districts if they're both only at ~15, but holding Biden's net delegate victory over [at this point, Sanders] to 20 or so in a state where conventional wisdom would suggest he'd net 40+ delegates would be a coup.

Even better for non-Biden candidates: given Steyer's media market-reliant campaign strategy and the fact that virtually nobody is voting for him outside of seeing his ads and his increase in name rec, his support may be very evenly distributed across the state. Steyer falling just short of viability statewide (as shown in this poll) could result in him getting like 13-14% statewide and not having much tangible deviation from that across congressional districts, earning him next to no delegates. That obviously would create a more favorable delegate allocation for [again, at this point, Sanders presumably], earning more like 30% of the delegates rather than 20%.

I do find it very unlikely that Biden is sitting at 35 unless Steyer's ads are stealing his voters. Nevertheless, it's something to consider if additional polls show him doing this poorly and Steyer doing this well in the state.
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2020, 09:56:50 AM »


I do find it very unlikely that Biden is sitting at 35 unless Steyer's ads are stealing his voters. Nevertheless, it's something to consider if additional polls show him doing this poorly and Steyer doing this well in the state.

I don't think It's very unlikely if he's polling around 20 or 20+ in IA and NH and his national numbers are around 30. And we've had couple of polls before the holidays showing him closet to 25 nationaly.

National polls are useless when examining Southern black support, which has backed the inevitable winner of every Democratic presidential primary since 1992. The combination of share of the electorate and bloc-voting propensity more or less disconnects the modern South from national trends; the most recent example is how Sanders basically held Clinton to a stalemale outside the South, but lost due to losing the South 2:1 in delegates. Biden is and always was the favorite for this group (as I've been saying for 2+ years), with his floor in a field this large always being 45-50% (in a two-way race, it's more like 70% - and can easily go higher).

In SC specifically, given that black voters will likely comprise 55-60% of primary voters, it's unlikely Biden could be at 35% unless 1) Democratic primary racial polarization not seen in this century has somehow re-emerged or 2) Steyer's ads are having a substantial impact. It takes a very special set of circumstances to break the dynamic of Southern black voters backing the candidate with the most establishment backing and/or name recognition, which tend to be one and the same (see 2008 for an example of what it takes to deconstruct this; even then, by the time SC was ready to fall from Clinton's grasp, Obama managed to achieve rapidly growing establishment support and comparable name rec, so it's not really even like he broke "the formula" so to speak).
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2020, 11:16:17 AM »

Remember, that SC poll had 13% undecided, so (crude, I know) if you just reallocate that by the vote share the candidate already has, Biden's looking closer to 40% than 35%. 13% of people aren't going to the polls to vote for "No One."

Yeah, that's true. Still, 40% in SC might not be enough to make up for the optics problem if Biden loses IA and NH. If he wins NV, it's probably fine.

It's also worth remembering the proportional nature of Democratic primaries. If Biden gets 40% in SC but no other candidate clears 15% statewide, then he gets all of the statewide pledged delegates (plus virtually all of the PLEOs). If in addition to that he is the only one to break 15% in each congressional district, then he gets every single pledged delegate out of SC. In absolutes it is it not a likely possibility, but a dialed-back version of this scenario is still perfectly possible (where he walks away with 80-90% of pledged delegates despite only winning a plurality statewide).
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