Nebraska Dems on the cusp of eliminating caucus for 2020

[Adam Griffin]

McCain leading MI and IL being tossup is all you have to know. Hillary was as much of a turnoff in 2008 as she was in 2016.

Uh...no?

[Adam Griffin]

McCain leading MI and IL being tossup is all you have to know. Hillary was as much of a turnoff in 2008 as she was in 2016.

Uh...no?

https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/polls.php

Uh... yes?

Polls from the spring of 2008 are useless in comparing what would have happened on Election Day, for rather obvious reasons related to that cycle. The biggest example of it is that the same polls showed Obama trailing McCain from February through May just as it showed Clinton trailing during that time. Obama ultimately won 270 votes via states that he carried by a minimum of 9.5 points; candidate quality doesn't make that much of a difference.

[Adam Griffin]

^^^ Also:

1) Clinton's unpopularity was nowhere nearly as bad in 2008 as it was in 2016 when measuring intensity (sure, many people started not liking her as the campaign wore on, but it wasn't the kind of visceral hate that existed in 2016)

2) The polarization and imbalance that existed in 2016, which was arguably the biggest cause of her loss, wasn't as substantial in 2008. She would have done better then in rural areas but worse in urban areas when compared both to her 2016 performance and to Obama's 2008 performance