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Adam Griffin
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« on: January 27, 2016, 07:33:35 PM »

The thing is...what Sanders is offering had majority support before Democrats spent all of their political capital and years of effort on a private-sector patchwork solution that was too complicated for people to understand, pissed them off and handed us a generation of defeat. The public option even passed her House as I recall. It had a majority in the Senate I believe as well. Procedure killed it, and the wishy-washy outcome of that procedure (healthcare) killed us, and we couldn't even get it right in the process.

There's the public reality and then there's the political reality; she understands the political reality. However, it seems she misses one part of the political reality. The reality that "that's not going to happen" is very poignant, and something Pelosi should take to heart: thanks to the drumming we took in 2010, nothing's going to happen during the remainder of Pelosi's lifetime in regards to her having influence on the process, other than those instances where we pull the government back from the brink of disaster by putting our caucus with a few dozen partially-lucid GOP members to pay our debts or defund the gas chambers at the last minute.
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2016, 08:42:41 PM »

Are you kidding me? Singlepayer healthcare never had anywhere near a majority of even hypothetical support in the 2009 Congress. Total fiction.


Unless you're phrasing the question like Scotty Rassy...

2006: 56% in favor of single-payer
2007: 54-44 in favor of single payer
2009: 49-46 in favor of single-payer
2015: Majority still in favor of single-payer

The most important broad-based metric has always been above water...except for that time we wasted all of our political capital on an overly-complicated ball of crap and failed to explain it.



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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2016, 09:25:39 PM »

Single payer government run health care that eliminates private insurance and the vague statement that "the government should make sure everyone has health care" are not the same thing.

It's the fundamental question. You can poll on the broader subject with any number of broad or specific statements that are designed to suppress or expand support for the concept, and end up with anywhere from 35 to 65% of the public supporting the concept. The primary opposition against enacting single-payer does not reside within the public at-large. Any time you provide specifics on a broader issue, public support shifts (and often erodes) - but not always for the reasons some people would like to assume.

One example would be to ask if people support "universal background checks" - 80 to 90% agree. Begin articulating each specific piece of what is required to implement it, and support begins to plunge markedly. A counter-example (where people support a concept more as they learn about it) is ACA: ask people if they like "Obamacare" and a narrow plurality or majority might say no. Ask them point-by-point if they support what constitutes "Obamacare", and it's an aggregate respectable majority in favor.

The common denominator is that the public doesn't know much at all and can be persuaded in either direction by whoever has the best narrative. This is the biggest reason why ACA was a flop, in my opinion: we lost the narrative and it cost Democrats far more than it was worth. At the end of the day, single-payer would follow the same trajectory: people would like the broader idea, grow to dislike whatever actually manifested as advertised, but then would actually like the individual provisions when explained.
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