Do BLM or ALM?

[Adam Griffin]

When the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is uttered, what is really being said is "Black Lives Matter, Too". The failure for them to make that critical distinction has certainly hurt their image - that black lives have as much value as white lives, or any other lives in general - but in their defense, most of the bitter cretins complaining about it in the first place would have just found some other angle to deflect to had that been the case in the first place.

[Adam Griffin]

When the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is uttered, what is really being said is "Black Lives Matter, Too". The failure for them to make that critical distinction has certainly hurt their image - that black lives have as much value as white lives, or any other lives in general - but in their defense, most of the bitter cretins complaining about it in the first place would have just found some other angle to deflect to had that been the case in the first place.

The fact the get upset when someone like Bernie says ALM, proves they are a racist terrorist group.

You are positively fycking bonkers. Again, the purpose of BLM is to state that their lives are equal to that of everyone else. Nobody is in denial about the importance of other people's lives. That is not something that gets debated in every facet of societal, cultural and political discussion. Therefore, to deflect to "WELL ALL LIVES MATTER" is to subconsciously take the focus off of what is actually a crisis and what matters, and instead, dilute the situation by assigning a meaning to the statement that wasn't the case in the first place. You're saying that there is no problem to address, or that the problems other racial groups are facing are equal. That's ludicrous.

The best explanation for your mentality out there:

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[Adam Griffin]

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[Adam Griffin]

ignore the reality that more whites than blacks are killed by cops

BLM is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of police officers

Yes, because nominal - as opposed to relative - measurement of a metric is the absolute, objective way to evaluate a situation. Are you really this stupid, or...?

I better never hear you try to cite stats that say "black people are criminals" or whatever, because by your logic, whites commit the largest amounts of most crimes and therefore are the most prone to criminal behavior.

[Adam Griffin]

ignore the reality that more whites than blacks are killed by cops

BLM is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of police officers

Yes, because nominal - as opposed to relative - measurement of a metric is the absolute, objective way to evaluate a situation. Are you really this stupid, or...?

Well you liberals love to point out how more whites than blacks are on welfare. So im just using liberal logic....and you object...lol

Nah, you're being a hypocrite, for exactly the same reasons my edited post above shows. You "patriots" love to talk about how blacks are more prone to commit crime because of relative metrics (pretty sure you yourself have done this) but you want to cite nominal metrics here to back up your point. You're not "using liberal logic"; you're being an ignorant dip-shit and just got caught in the act.

[Adam Griffin]

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#CopsOnlyKillBlacks

Ah, beautiful. Another person who doesn't understand statistics.

[Adam Griffin]

BLM is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of police officers

Conservative America is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of the President and other elected officials, champions violent overthrow of the federal government and then sends its re-programmed ideologues into schools and churches to smear kids' brains on the walls

[Adam Griffin]

The forum always has a classic 65/35 divide on issues of "liberalism" and "freedom" that don't directly invade the precious and privileged little bubbles of upper-middle-class white boys. It is polls like these that show exactly who constitutes the membership of this forum - sickening that a less than insignificant sum of "liberals" and "progressives" think "All Lives Matter". Jesus Christ.

[Adam Griffin]

BLM is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of police officers

Conservative America is a terrorist organization that calls for the murder of the President and other elected officials, champions violent overthrow of the federal government and then sends its re-programmed ideologues into schools and churches to smear kids' brains on the walls

Youre a kook. No wonder why you cant win in GA

I see you haven't denied the claims. After all, if literally anyone who has expressed support for BLM can be classified as part of its "organization" by your metric (which is literally the only way you can make such a claim), then all of the preppers, neo-Nazis, conspiracy theorists, gun-toting ideologues and other assorted cretins are most certainly going to be classified as part of yours.

[Adam Griffin]

The forum always has a classic 65/35 divide on issues of "liberalism" and "freedom" that don't directly invade the precious and privileged little bubbles of upper-middle-class white boys. It is polls like these that show exactly who constitutes the membership of this forum - sickening that a less than insignificant sum of "liberals" and "progressives" think "All Lives Matter". Jesus Christ.

Seriously...has this forum lurched massively toward racism and to the right? Absolutely terrifying - this is exceeding even what the classic "privileged rich Atlas white kid" dynamic should allow.

[Adam Griffin]

Is it racist to say "All men are created equal" now too? Do we need to start saying "All Black men are created equal"?

If someone is essentially making the statement that "black men are equal [to other men]" and your response is "WELL EVERYONE IS EQUAL" in a reactionary, defensive context, then yes, it is fycking racist.

The most effective way to ensure that "black lives matter" is to convince the gang-bangers and criminals in the black community that they do, not the police.  They are the ones treating black lives like garbage.  Of course that doesn't get the press that a rogue police officer does, so we will continue to waste time with this facade while black children die every day.

Thanks for the loaded phrases there. "Gang-bangers", "criminals"...I'm surprised you didn't find a way to use "thugs" and "welfare queens" in that diatribe, too. It's so easy to develop that classic sense of white defensiveness and say "oh yeah well let's talk about all the problems black people 'cause themselves'" rather than discussing the problems that are thrust on black by others. That's exactly what it is, of course.

Did you ever stop and think that many of the societal problems the community faces is directly related to the institutional discrimination and bias that exists in virtually every facet of our society, or do you just want to continue thinking that white people are inherently superior and that "getting one's live together" or whatever is equally doable regardless of race? I get that America doesn't like to swallow the pill that its lily-white heroes in uniform aren't perfect, but that is merely one part of a monumentally-huge structural bias that has been holding blacks back for centuries.

[Adam Griffin]

It seems there's a major context problem here. I can see how if someone said "black lives matter" then another responded with "all lives matter", it could be seen as belittling/condescending.

The phrase only exists in the first place as a response to "black lives matter", so there is no context problem: this is the subconscious dialog people have in their heads when they see the phrases side-by-side. Nobody was saying "all lives matter" before this.

[Adam Griffin]

Ugh, white Europeans in this thread are (mostly) the worst. I can't wait until their entire continent is 40% minority, the sky doesn't fall, and we all really get to see what's in their hearts.

[Adam Griffin]

Ugh, white Europeans in this thread are (mostly) the worst. I can't wait until their entire continent is 40% minority, the sky doesn't fall, and we all really get to see what's in their hearts.

First of all I'm not sure how Europe will ever turn into 40% Muslims (that what you mean), but I can tell you if the sky doesn't fall, you won't see THE EVIL IN MY HEART, you will only see that if the sky falls.

To be fair, it probably doesn't have to get anywhere near that for a good show to erupt. Europe is what right now - 10% minority at most? - and you guys are already going positively fycking bonkers over it. White Europeans have forgotten how to reproduce and the policies with regards to immigration are bound to change, so the projections right now I think are absolutely irrelevant. Sooner or later, you guys are going to have to be busing in a Syrian refugee crisis' worth of immigrants every single year just to keep your social safety nets in semi-functioning order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dUmDBfp6k

[Adam Griffin]

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Kelly Thomas will be delighted to know that his life does not matter, or at least would be if he were still alive. I guess if he were a few shades darker and trying to grab his assailants' weapon his death would be a tragedy.

[Adam Griffin]

Nobody was saying "All Lives Matter" until it was as a response to "Black Lives Matter". Can you see how in that context, caterwauling about the intent of those saying "All Lives Matter" is more than a little disingenuous?

Martin O'Malley and Hillary Clinton were caterwauling?

For the general election, you betcha. Little did they know that the issue was going to get a lot more in-your-face and personal for them as a result; they've both since walked it back.

[Adam Griffin]

You shouldn't have to walk back All Lives Matter. It's a perfectly reasonable statement.

Irrespective of the fact that it's absolutely not, your original point remains invalid because you were trying to legitimize it because some Democrats used it. They've since abandoned it and apologized for it, so the point isn't one any longer.