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Adam Griffin
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« on: May 03, 2014, 04:59:31 PM »

I definitely support the use of the DoFE when holding regional votes, but I can't support repealing the 17th in its entirety. Its presence presents too many opportunities for fun. Cheesy I remember when Marokai fought for the passage of this bill, and at the time I was against it, but hindsight is 20/20.

In my opinion, something to the effect of allowing the DoFE to administer the first vote by region on any amendment - with the regional government dealing with subsequent attempts at passage - would be more desirable. I suppose I'm leading the charge for regional rights on this, then? Tongue
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 11:31:28 PM »
« Edited: May 04, 2014, 11:33:03 PM by Sen. Griffin (LAB-NB) »

Has anyone read the Seventeenth Amendment? Tongue

In regards to bore's line of questions: yes, the Seventeenth Amendment currently allows for any amendment that has passed the Senate once to be brought up for a vote as many times as needed by a regional body once it has passed the Senate. Each regional body can choose to set the method of ratification of an amendment as a public vote of citizens of the region, or as a majority of the region's legislature. Yankee also more or less answered how I'd deal with the public vote: I would like the DoFE to administer the voting booth on the first vote of any amendment for all of the regions, and subsequent attempts would be handled by the regions.

Repealing the Seventeenth as-is would also present a huge, new problem that we haven't had to consider for over a year: if an amendment fails to pass in four regions on the first go, then the entire process would have to head back to the Senate in order to be voted on again. That's ridiculous. I also have wondered from time to time what percentage of the game actually is aware that when a proposed amendment fails to garner support in four out of five regions on the first vote, that it can be voted on again and again by that region.

Even if a clause were added to ensure that amendments don't have to work their way back through the Senate each time they are proposed to the voters, I also like the idea of each region being able to change the method of ratification. It adds a bit of spice to the game and allows for more fun - again, assuming people are actually aware of it.
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 03:50:06 AM »

I would like to propose an amendment.

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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 04:31:39 PM »

Aye
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 07:25:36 PM »

Absurd. This was the best compromise we had for fixing consistent inactivity issues that plague the opening of amendment booths. Way to screw the pooch again, guys.
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2014, 01:09:40 AM »

It's absurd and overly-nuanced arguments like these that strengthen my desire for the regions to go away.
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Adam Griffin
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2014, 08:05:32 PM »

It's absurd and overly-nuanced arguments like these that strengthen my desire for the regions to go away.

Would you have preferred another silent Nay vote instead? Tongue I would point out that were that desire on the part of several not present, Adam, this would have stood a better chance at passing.

Actually, yes, I would. At present, it's just turd-dressing and you've admitted that that's all it is based on your second sentence; "let's vote against something useful because some people don't cum over the idea of regions, but hey, at least we put on a show in the interim".
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