Papal Conclave - 2007 Info Center

[Gustaf]

Is it too late or can I join? This seems like fun.

[Gustaf]

Personal Profiles

Name: John Lumbayo

1) Are you a member of the Roman Curia, or a pastoral bishop.

[ ] The Curia:  Members of the Curia are well known, and will start out with
                       an early advantage.  They will also be more platable to other
                       members of the Curia, at least at first.  They might have a
                       hard time winning over Cardinals who are from outside of
                       Rome, however.
[ X] Pastoral Bishop:  Many will be lesser known, and not quite as well
                       connected, but they could pick up significant support as
                       the conclave proceeds.

2) Do you come from a wealthy or poor country.

[ ] Wealthy:   Chances are you will start out in higher standing, but will be
                      unlikely to garner support from those who orginate in the 3rd
                      World.

[ X] Poor:         You will arive with a lower profile, but have the potential to
                      win over considerable support, due to your background.

Note:  Members of the Curia may also be from the poorer regions of the world.  Also, some countries with significant regional income differences might be divided into seperate classes (such as Nothern and Southern Italy).

3) Are you European or non-European? (no explanation required)

[ ] European

[X ] non-European

Note:  For the Purpose of the game, Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc, are not classified as Europeans.  This group is for people who are strictly European.

4) Are you a Scholar or a "Man-of-the-people"?

[ ] Scholar:      Some groups and individuals prefer a more scholarly Pope

[ X] Man-of-the-People:  Where as some prefer one who is easier for the
                       average person to relate to.

5) Older or Younger?

[ ] Older

[ X] Younger

6) What's your ego like?

[ ] Humble and Quiet: People will preceive you as being more spiritual and
                        nurturing

[X ] Bombastic and Outspoke: People will precieve you as being more of a
                        "champion" and strong-willed

[Gustaf]

Check the one that is closest to your view:

Theological

1) The clearest path to Salvation is through

[ ] The Sacraments

[ ] Good works

[ X] Simple faith, like that of a child

[ ] Having a complex and  intimate understanding of one's faith

2) Marian Devotion and the Saints

[ ] Mary should be seen in the role of "co-redemptrix".  Not equal to Christ,
    but still playing an essential role in salvation.

[X ] Mary should be adored as the Mother of God and a powerful advocate
    for sinners, but lets not get carried away.

[ ] Catholics aren't supposed to "worship" Mary and the saints, but there
    are plenty who don't seem to know that.  We should place less
    emphasis on them, less people get confused and begin to pray someone
    other than God.

[ ] In the modern age it is fitting for us to stress a more personal relationship with God.
    Mary should be adored and the saints should be praised and looked up to, but people
    should be more willing to simply “take their problems” directly to God.

3) The mass

[ ] The mass should adhere to a strict protocol.  Things are done a certain way for a reason.
     We should go back to a Latin format.

[ X] Keep the mass as is.

[ ] The mass should be less formal.  More a celebration than a ritual.

4) The Modern Church has a responsibility to
[ ] Ensure social and economic justice.

[X ] Ensure the spiritual well being of its members.

5) The Church should work harder to reinforce the faith of

[X ] The community

[ ] The individual

6) Christian Reconciliation

[ ] All non-Catholics are heretics, to be damned in the eternal fires of Hell.  Why should we care
    about reconciliation?

[ ] Reconciliation with other Christian groups, particularly Orthodox groups, is desirable.
    As the one true faith, it should be on our terms, however.

[ ] The Church needs to breath with two lungs again.  We should work out our differences with
     the Orthodox faiths, and also seek to reincorporate the Church of England into the fold.

[ X] We should not actively seek reconciliation, as it is not necessary.  All Christians are brothers of
     one faith, even if we don’t agree on all the specifics.

Political

1) Which should be a higher priority for the Church?

[ ] To promote a message that emphasizes protecting life and condemning modern societies trend
     towards devaluing it.

[ ] To promote a sense of economic justice and basic equality for people all over the world,
     condemning those who exploit the labor of others.

[X ] I prefer an approach that balances the two.

2) View of globalization

[X ] Globalization is an important force for promoting basic rights and economic opportunity for all
     people.

[ ] Globalization exploits the weaker and poorer to the benefit of the stronger and wealthier.

3) What is your view on separation of Church and State

[X ] It is the duty of any good Catholic, whether a member of the clergy or a layperson, to make
    sure that the laws of their country uphold at least the most basic moral standards.  The Vatican
    should be vigorously involved in promoting moral standards for governments all over the world

[ ] Morality is a matter of individual choice.  The clergy should work to instill high moral
    standards in their parishioners, but the Church should not be involved in controlling the laws of
    world governments.

4) The “West” and the “Rest”

[ X] The West is the home of Christianity and is still the base of the Christian world.  The
     deterioration of Christian devotion in Europe is very worrisome.  How can Christianity
     continue to spread if the area that fostered it is no longer Christian?  We must focus on
     revitalizing Christianity in the West, especially in Europe.

[ ] Catholicism is blossoming in many countries that are not traditionally Christian.  While we
     Should not place the majority of attention on Africa and Asia, we should change are thinking
     to a moral global mind set.

[ ] The West must learn to be more responsible with its power, especially the United States.  All
     to often, Third World countries, where many poor Christians live, are exploited by these
    Westerners who have clearly lost their way to greed and materialism.  Maybe we should send      missionaries from the rest of the World to remind the West of what they have become.  Either
    way, the Church’s focus should be on the Developing World.

5)Are other faiths "valid"?

[ ] No.  Catholicism is the only valid faith.  Salvation can only be found
    through the sacraments.

[X ] Validation comes through belief in Christ.  All Christian faiths are valid.

[ ] Christianity, Islam and Judaism are valid, as they all believe in the one
    God variously called Yahweh, Allah or simply "Lord".

[ ] Any faith that holds true to the spirit of love and brotherhood expressed
    by Jesus Christ is valid.  All good people will know Christ is death, if not in
    life.

Structure

1) Which most closely matches your view?

[ ] Many of the changes made by Vatican II seem to have robbed the Church of much of its moral
    authority.  The striping of power away from the hands of the clergy and into the hands of lay      people has been, on the whole, bad for the theological and structural cohesion of the Church.       It is hard for the Church to say anything without being challenged, and people have only
    become more bold with their challenges.  In the mean time, it hasn’t done much for Church
    attendance, as many people have started to think that if “it isn’t that important, then why
    bother”.  Clergy, bishops and the Pope need to take back the moral authority to tell people how
    it is.  People need discipline and direction in faith.

[X ] Vatican II was a good step towards further devolution of the Church.  Faith can’t be a “one-      size-fits-all” matter.  People are different.  Would we rather have more people feel included, or      turn more people away.  Lay organizations such as Parish councils also give people more stake in their parish community and helps them feel more involved in their parish and their own faith.  I don’t want a Church with no authority, just one that isn’t so strictly institutionalized, one that feels less like an organization and more like a faith community.

[Gustaf]

I take it that we're not supposed to do any influencing until after the first round of balloting?

[Gustaf]

I should also add that this seems like a very good effort from your side Soulty. This could be a real game, IMO (go make some money!).

Very well thought out, as far as I can tell. The reason for my question was that I take it we are thus not allowed to try and influence the vote on openness?

[Gustaf]

Another thing, I decided to keep track of the voteing of spread sheet, trouble is, I have almost no expirience with Excel... Once I hide a column, how do I unhide it... I tried clicking on the space where it shoudl be and hitting "unhide" didn't work

First go to Edit > Go To... and type in "(column letter)1" (without the quotes), and then go to Format > Column > Unhide.

Nevermind, I got it.

[Gustaf]

Also, because of Gabu's activities, I have decided to place a ceiling on how much influence someone can effect in one turn.  Just so that you guys won't feel too intimidated to answer questions or make speeches.  Sorry, but I am getting a few "woah, I can't compares" and I don't want you guys to think that.

That is so typical Gabu.

[Gustaf]

Okay, there was a bit of misunderstanding over this, and I didn't lay it out in the rules, so I woudl like to state for future reference...

If you approuch a Cardinal, you leave yourself open to a counter question.  The counter question should be answered during the present turn.

There will only be one counter question, per Cardinal, per turn.

You make the counter-question sound like a sword stab... :S

[Gustaf]

Important question: are our votes public in the sense that non-player cardinals are aware of them and will be influenced by it? And what about changes of votes, etc?

[Gustaf]

Soulty, you have Rudo listed as two different votes in the last tabulation. I sure hope that the Santiago vote is a left-over from last time and that his actual vote this time is for me.

[Gustaf]

I'm gonna extend the influencing period by a day, as I haven't had a chance to get back to anyone about their PMs yet.

any chance you could move the deadline back a day for memorial day?

say may 29/30 11pm?

Enough already! Are you pope or dope?

[Gustaf]

Soulty, I actually really liked the old format. Is it too much trouble to make or would it be possible to bring it back? It's much easier to compare with the old ballot myself than it is to get an over-view of where the votes are coming from. Again, if it's too much trouble I understand that you won't do it. But I'd appreciate it...

[Gustaf]

  The Results of the 3rd Ballot are as follows
Hume - 9
von Frick - 8
Antonelli - 10
de Andrade - 1
Ribeirio - 6
Cheng - 13
Miller -3
Lumbayo - 12
Santiago - 1
Jergovic - 9
dePalma - 1
Cruijff - 11
Singh - 1


   
Hume ---->   Hume
Ribeiro ---->   Lumbayo
Cheng ---->   Cheng
von Frick ---->   Ribeiro
Miller ---->   Miller
Jergovic ---->   Jergovic
Antonelli ---->   Antonelli
Cruijff ---->   Cruijiff
de Palma ---->     de Palma
Lumbayo ---->   Santiago



Curia   

McCannon ---->   Cruijff
Romano ---->   Cruijff
Hernandez ---->   von Frick
Sepe ---->   Antonelli
Bertone ---->   Cruijff
Adofo ---->   Lumbayo
Shah ---->   Cheng
Wildauer ---->   Cheng


Other Key Cardinals
   
Santiago ---->   Lumbayo
O'Hara ---->   Cruijff
Sherer ---->   Cheng
Tagola ---->   Ribeiro
Medina ---->   de Andrade
Bassman    ---->     Hume
Ramos ---->   Cheng
Montini ---->   Crujiff
Szklar ---->   Jergovic
Rudo ---->   Cruijff


Europeans   

Rezzonico    ----> Antonelli
Lambertini ---->   Antonelli
Altieri ---->   Antonelli
Ganganelli ---->   Jergovic
Braschi ---->   Cruijff
Errigo ---->   Antonelli
Caprelli ---->   Antonelli
Huber ---->   von Frick
Robidzer ---->   von Frick
Schontag ---->   Jergovic
Schuler ---->   Cheng
Reyes ---->   Lumbayo
Diaz ---->                   Ribeiro
Soto ---->                  Cruijff
Cruz ---->                  Hume
Herrera ---->   von Frick
Pascal ---->   von Frick
Boulanger ---->   Cruijff
Alexandre    ---->        Cheng
Gardocki    ---->         Antonelli
Howard ---->   Jergovic
MacMillian ---->   Miller
Papp ---->   Jergovic
Balla ---->    Cheng
Timochenko ---->   Jergovic
Mineric ---->   Jergovic
Adamkus ---->   Jergovic
Kelley ---->   Miller


North America
   
Fitzgibbon ---->   Hume
Latello ---->   Antonelli
Gabler ---->   Hume
Sanchez ---->   Cruijff
Stojeck ---->   Hume
Legrand ---->   Antonelli


Latin America   

da Silva ---->   Ribeiro
Alves ---->   RIbeiro
Lopez ---->   Lumbayo
Garcia ---->   Cheng
Zambrano ---->   Cheng
Ramirez ---->   Lumbayo
Pinera ---->   Cheng
de Arroyo    ---->        Cheng
de Lugo ---->   Lumbayo
Rias ---->                   Lumbayo


Africa   

Tyler ---->                   Cheng
Kobe ---->   Lumbayo
Sauda ---->   Lumbayo
Chike ---->   Lumbayo
M'Fuma ---->   Hume
Zari ---->                   Lumbayo


Asia   

Gayan ---->              Singh
Majboo ---->   Ribeiro
Michiba ---->   Lumbayo
Purnomo ---->   von Frick
Ho ---->                   von Frick
Kulop ---->   von Frick
Lynch ---->   Hume




Did it myself...

[Gustaf]

Excellent news since I#m posting from Vienna and will be back in a couple of days.

[Gustaf]

I'm still in...I was waiting for an update.

[Gustaf]

In 24 hours, I will conclude this ballot, whether more people vote or not.  Also, from now on, I am taking over the characters of anyone who has failed to vote for three turns, unless specifically asked not to do so.

With "take over" I hope you mean "turn into normal voting Cardinals" and not "run as competing players"...