Supersoulty drops out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gustaf]

This is sad to see. I hope Supersoulty will reconsider, even though I can't help to agree with his points.

[Gustaf]

I know what you guys are saying, but please don't go  The Republicans here make this stuff interesting.

Tell that to a few of your fellow Dems and some of the Progressives, who (for me) are the cause for the decline in fun on the forum.  In any case, I have no issue with you, Nation.    It's just a handful in your party I'm at odds with.

The only party, in my opinion that is making this no fun, is the Republican party. All they are doing is whining and pointing fingers. Don't want to take any responsibility. "I'm okay, your not okay" type of childish acts. Smear campaigns and storming out of the board has also contributed to the decline in fun. They are acting like sore losers and calling everything partisan before giving anyone a chance. "Supreme court nominees are partisan."

Calm down Shapey,  I think that's a pretty unfair assessment.

[Gustaf]

I know what you guys are saying, but please don't go  The Republicans here make this stuff interesting.

Tell that to a few of your fellow Dems and some of the Progressives, who (for me) are the cause for the decline in fun on the forum.  In any case, I have no issue with you, Nation.    It's just a handful in your party I'm at odds with.

The only party, in my opinion that is making this no fun, is the Republican party. All they are doing is whining and pointing fingers. Don't want to take any responsibility. "I'm okay, your not okay" type of childish acts. Smear campaigns and storming out of the board has also contributed to the decline in fun. They are acting like sore losers and calling everything partisan before giving anyone a chance. "Supreme court nominees are partisan."

Calm down Shapey,  I think that's a pretty unfair assessment.

Wait. When someone makes an unfair assessment of me, that is okay with you? I am not going to be the scape goat of this board just because I disagree.

Stop saying Cald down. Only people who say that, are people who are intentioning trying to make the person even more hyper so they can look like an as-.

Huh? I didn't say anything was OK with me...however, I believe that the attacks on you are based on events about which I don't know a great lot. So that's mostly why I didn't comment on them.

And if you don't want to be calm, go ahead. I won't stop you, or anyone else, from getting into fights.

[Gustaf]

When have we ran smear campaigns? Im pretty sure thats the AFDNC doing that.

Huh? when I said the Republican party, I meant some members of the republican party - not the AFDNC nor the AFRNC. It is the same over generalization some are doing with the Democratic party and Progressive.

You mean the Democratic party and their affiliated ally?

[Gustaf]

When have we ran smear campaigns? Im pretty sure thats the AFDNC doing that.

Huh? when I said the Republican party, I meant some members of the republican party - not the AFDNC nor the AFRNC. It is the same over generalization some are doing with the Democratic party and Progressive.

You mean the Democratic party and their affiliated ally?

I don't think that is a fair assumption but I guess you are the exception of your own rule.

It seems the mood here has reached the point of no jokes...well, so be it then.

I always found reversed inconsistency pretty fun. You can't attack me for being inconsistent without being inconsistent yourself on this one really...but I was joking, I think you...well, OK, I won't say it...

[Gustaf]

You attacked him when you called him childish!  How do you not realize this!

If you want to continue this witch hunt - go ahead.

By the way, I never said Don was childish. If you read closely because you jump into conclusion, I said his action was childish, not - Don is childish. I will quote myself again just in case.

"I won't contribute to your childish acts by saying something just as childish as your post. Trust me when I said this, I am not going to pull a SuperSoulty because people don't like me. You can continue with your childish acts and smear campaign, I can care less."

Eh...I thought it was childish to engage in childish acts...am I wrong?

[Gustaf]

I agree. I've been thinking this for some time, but those who are in favour of change are often very persuasive...

I also feel a little sorry for all of those who put in a lot of work into details, but it's true that the idea was originally to have fun and have elections, not have anything this complicated.

[Gustaf]

Let me just clear some things up:

1) I'm not leaving the forum entirly.  I'm just leaving the fantasy elections.

2) When I ran for President, I never expected any powers or anything of the like.  I just wanted to have fun.  I expected to be nothing better than a "Grand Pooba" with just a title and some recongnition for my possition.  That's it.  That's what I envisioned for this entire process.

I never wanted a "Fantasy Government".  I never wanted Constitutions, or Governors, or Justices, or Senators, or Party Bosses.  I just wanted to have fun.  We aren't having that anymore.  It's not Nym's fault, it is not the Progressives fault (although they pressed for all this crap), it is everyone's fault.  We all let it come to this, because those who were for it wanted to go balls out and those who were against it (such as myself) just went with the flow so we wouldn't piss everyone off.  However, everyone is already pissed off, so that gives at least one group cause to speak-up.

So what would I do?  Well, get rid of the Party Bosses, get rid of the "Fantasy Government", get rid of the Supreme Court and for God's sake get rid of the Constitution (sorry Dan, I know you worked hard, but it has become such a damn hassel).  Stick to ELECTIONS.  Have Presidential election, we can have some Senate elections, have a basic set of election rules and have fun!  That's why we started this.  The possitions should mean NOTHING.  It should be to enjoy.  This has all taken up valuible time that we could have used debating the real issues.  It has brought people ot the forum whos only purpose is to take part in the elections and government so they can show everyone on the world-wide-web that their penis is bigger than that of the guy who they beat.

It shouldn't be this way.  Valuible members such as JR have left because this is out of control.  It's time to put an end to it and if you guys can then I will come back to have fun.

That's all.

Pardon me for obtruding here, but it has been implied that there should be election rules. These very rules will be a constitution, whether you call it a constitution or not.

Now, it has also been suggested that these positions should be meaningless, and that parties should not be allowed to have their own leaders. Then all will descend into a monotonous series of elections and campaigns, with nothing in between. I have not been here since the beginning of this process, so I would not know what the original intention was. Still, it seems that this process makes the entire fantasy election concept more interesting. Please note that these are only my views; they are not meant to attack yours.

I will state something that I have stated a few times before. A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting the purpose of this board. Let me just remind you of the name: The Atlas Forum fantasy elections. This was never supposed to be an all the way government sim, it was supposed to be a part-time thing for the forum members. Now it's grown to an own world and a lot of people are almost exclusively participating in this, and shutting out other forum members through excessive rules. If people want to have a full grown fantasy government, they can honestly make their own site for that. This is supposed to be a corrollary, sort of, to the forum, not an independent world.

[Gustaf]

I do agree with many of the sentiments that Supersoulty has put forth. I too wanted things to be a little more simplified, with more focus on the election aspect. I enjoyed the debates that we had before the first election because they focused on real issues, not on Fantasy government. Even though it was a fantasy election, it was a real debate, very similar to an actual Presidential debate in terms of questions and answers. That was fun. Bureaucracy isn't fun, at least not for me. I work in government in real life, and I put up with enough of that stuff every day. Don't get me wrong, I love my job, and I love working to help people, but I don't like red tape. In the real world, bureaucracy is necessary in order to ensure that everyone gets treated equally, and without bias. But if there is one thing that bureacuracy isn't, it's fun. That's one thing I will definitely attest to, and agree wholeheartedly with. Elections are fun, but the actual process of running and managing government (as necessary as that is) isn't fun. Since this whole Fantasy elections thing is supposed to be fun, we should try to make it as non-bureaucratic as possible (without letting it go to the point of descending into chaos).

That's just my $0.02.

Hear, hear.

This brings up another point. Back then the fantasy election ad an image of being set in real life, rather than in the context of the forum. This also added some to the fun.

[Gustaf]

I was not here for the golden age of the Fantasy Elections. When I came in, I thought it was a Fantasy Elections/Government board. Please in the future, SPEAK UP. Disagreeing might make you unpopular but hey, who cares. Take it from me, the person everyone hates - especially ChopFl, and a few others.

Oh, that wasn't really the reason. I was hoping that it would work out, but it didn't. And I did try to hint at it, but basically we abdicated from our responsibility...which was dum by us.

But I'm awaiting the storm now, lol.

[Gustaf]

I'm inclined to agree with Supersoulty that there is too much bureaucracy and Constitution stuff in this forum. Heck, this place is starting to turn into the internet equivalent of the EU.

That said, others are also emanating a bit of a spoilsport attitude about all this simply because some of the humour displayed here isn't entirely to their liking. Fine, it's perfectly  understandable if black humour isn't your cup of tea. However, if you want to improve this place, it's always better to do it from within; no point in running off just because the situation isn't entirely to your liking. Besides, we need more Republicans here.

What humour would that be? I know some people might have not taken the baby killing and similar campaigns all that well, lol. (I thought it was kind of funny though...) But none of those peopel have left, have they?