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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: November 29, 2006, 01:53:34 PM »

I would like to comment on Section 3 of the bill, so as to explain why the timing there was so written.  The automatic passage of laws is scheduled so that no U.S. law becomes Atlasian law until there has been the opportunity for it to examined during a complete session of the Atlasian Senate.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 04:41:26 PM »

Under this bill, Acts passed by the U.S. Congress during the Fifteenth Atlasian Senate would, if not contradicted by Atlasian law, come into force at the end of the Sixteenth Atlasian Senate, those passed during the Sixteenth would come into force at the end of the Seventeenth, and so forth.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 04:48:51 PM »

These laws of course would come into effect without any approval or affirmation by the Senate of Atlasia, I assume?
Correct, though there is a period of delay of at least one full Senate session, so that if there be a U.S. law that the Senate wishes to object to, it would have the opportunity to do so.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 05:00:16 PM »

These laws of course would come into effect without any approval or affirmation by the Senate of Atlasia, I assume?
Correct, though there is a period of delay of at least one full Senate session, so that if there be a U.S. law that the Senate wishes to object to, it would have the opportunity to do so.

How would the budget and appropriations work under this setup? Would the Atlasian budget be subject to the whims of the United States Congress and its deficits and spending?

To the extent that the Atlasian budget is not defined by the Atlasian Senate, yes.

Whenever we pass a budget or eliminate or add a program, that would trump whatever the U.S. Congress does, even if the Congress were to pass its law later.  For example, if we passed a bill eliminating the Bureau of Indian Affairs, then despite any future funding provided for the BIA in future budget bills of the U.S. Congress, the BIA would still get $0 in Atlasia.  (Unless a future Atlasian Senate were to pass a law restoring the BIA of course.)
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 11:09:57 PM »

That would depend on how we phrase our budget bills.  If we say that the budget for the DoD is X, then it'll be X no matter what the U.S. Congress does.  If only the other hand if we vote to subtract Y and they vote to add Z then the result would generally be the combination of the two.  (If we vote to subtract Y by canceling some program and they add Z by increasing its funding, then our cancellation would preempt their increase.
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 12:34:41 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 09:31:59 PM »

So will you allow Atlasia to be swallowed up by a political process that is completely foreign to us and our laws? Or we you actually keep some semblance of reality in Atlasia and keep us at arms length from the problems and works of the real world.

Colin, if we hope to get Atlasia revitalized we need to make the game accessible to new players.  That means keeping the differences down to those actually made by deliberate decision.  If you're worried about our budget going out of control, the solution is simple under this law, then work to see that the Senate actually passes one!  If it does, then it trumps whatever mistakes the Congress makes.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2006, 09:10:15 PM »

I'm just saying that we should keep the differences to those decided upon on purpose, not that there should not be any.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2006, 08:02:29 PM »

Reason for veto: while I think the basic idea behind the bill is, fundamentally, a good one, certain parts of it could end up killing the game off for good.

Would the President be so kind as to specify which parts he objects to and what changes would make him likely to consider signing a future bill?  Since we agree that the basic idea is good, and I'm not wedded to it absolutely being done in a specific manner, if this had been brought up earlier, it might could have been amended, rather than simply heading for a veto override, as I hope it will now.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2006, 04:22:16 PM »

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