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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: July 29, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »

I start the believe that, if the next three and a half years continue as the past six months, Donald Trump will go down in history as the worst president in history or at least since Andrew Johnson.

Reasons are obvious:

- He is a great divider and has divided the country even further as it already was
- He is wrong on every side, and history will judge him that way. Climate change, renewable energies, civil rights, health-care, foreign policy etc.
- He has zero presidential behavior. Presidents ought be a role model. He's a role model indeed, but a role model in the opposite. His sexism, call for violence, mocking/bullying of people is disgraceful. This has nothing to do with reasonable criticism of reports or anybody else.
- He is totally unable to work with a congress dominated by his own party. He has, as of now, zero legislative accomplishments. What is much to expect?
- He is not capable to run an administration. The White House is a mess. He hasn't even management skills (in part because he is not a successful businessman. If you want one, take  Mike Bloomberg or Bill Gates).
- He is also unable to lead people. His treatment of Sessions alone is disgusting.
- He has zero personal integrity. I don't need to go through a long list of examples.
- What about other phony promises? Trade deals, wall, terrorism, etc? Nothing happened and I don't expect much to change.

Right now, he has already lost most of his political capital after his victory. It won't get easier, but even more difficult. And the whole list above does not even include the whole Russia investigation that could end his presidency sooner or later. For the reasons above I'm sure that Trump will be seen as the worst president in over a century. Even conservative scholars will agree.

While I agree with most of that criticism, I don't think it's fair to lay blame for Republican disunity primarily in Trump's tiny hands. Republican disunity was evident pre-Trump in their failure while out of the White House to promote anything they hoped to accomplish if they got it back in anything other than vague platitudes. Trump had no coattails. There isn't a single Congresscritter who has any reason to think Trump helped him to victory in November. Trump's intraparty power consists solely of fear that he might aid a primary challenge. Unless a Congresscritter does far more to alienate the base than fail to follow Trump as he twists from one position to another, they have no reason to fear that. Combined with the narrow margin in the Senate for the GOP, it's not surprising what's happened.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 08:14:37 AM »

I ask again: what has Trump done that in any way compares to lying the U.S. into war on false pretenses and having that war be a catastrophic debacle that took a decade to extricate the U.S. from and left hundreds of thousands dead and a country ruined for no reason?

How do people think Trump is worse than W? What has he done that comes close to the Iraq War in terms of its effects?

Colluding with a foreign government to hack an election in favor of his victory is worse, at least for me.

So as bad as Jefferson then, or maybe even worse since unlike Genêt, Putin is competent?
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 05:20:59 PM »

He is worse than Harding because Harding wasn't a bad president. He is much less of a disaster than Bush or Johnson, so far.

Harding wasn't a wha? Huh

Harding does get a bit of a bad rap, in my opinion. I'd put Harding in the eighth decile rather than the tenth he commonly gets placed in. He's clearly better than Tyler, Taylor, Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, A. Johnson, Dubya, or Trump. Whether Harding is better or worse than Van Buren, Grant, or Nixon is debatable in my opinion.
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