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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: February 17, 2017, 01:02:43 AM »

I support this bill on a men's rights basis, not on a "pro-life" (a meaningless word these days) basis.


Men don't have a right to force women to do things with their own bodies.

Yeah.  The only legitimate reason for the state to interfere with abortion is if what is being terminated is considered to be a human being.  So called "man's rights" don't have anything to do with abortion.  At most, one could reasonably argue they have something to do with the degree to which a man has an obligation to support their child if it is brought to term.  But the societal case for not allowing deadbeat dads to default on supporting their kids just because they don't want to is sufficiently compelling, that anyone arguing that would justifiably lose.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 02:10:37 AM »


Why? Maybe I'm juat clueless about this type of thinking because abortion, like guns, is not that much of an issue in my country and seems more like an American obsession, but is it really hard to accept that new facts have been learned since priests thousands of years ago wrote a book?

Apparently it's no harder than it is to accept that just because we have learned new facts, that doesn't affect morality.  At most it might affect how we apply the principles of that ancient book to our somewhat altered society, but not the basic ideas therein.  Societal changes (principally the adoption of the welfare state in place of having children take care of their parents in old age) have rendered the basis of the bias against homosexuality suspect moot, but they haven't affected the issue of abortion much.  Modern medicine allows us to use something a little less subjective than quickening can be used to demark the point at which a fetus becomes entitled to consideration under the law, but the basic reasons are still sound.
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