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Question: Which of the following do you sanction?
#1
Removing the Confederate flag from public grounds and license plates
 
#2
Removing Confederate monuments from public grounds
 
#3
Removing Confederate names from roads, bridges, highways, schools, etc
 
#4
Getting rid of Confederate History Month
 
#5
Getting rid of Confederate holidays
 
#6
Forbidding private homeowners from flying the Confederate flag on their property
 
#7
Other (please specify, in case I missed anything)
 
#8
NOTA
 
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: June 30, 2015, 05:47:44 PM »

Option 5 and part of option 1.  I want the Confederate Flag off of license plates and I don't want it as part of unbalanced historical monuments on government grounds.  But I wouldn't mind it if it were paired with a 35 star Union flag of equal prominence.  That said I don't care that much about the flag to be upset if erasure goes somewhat farther.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2018, 03:47:08 PM »

As a patriot, I think flying it, even on private property, should be banned.

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The CSA was an enemy of the USA during its entire existence, and the principles for which it stood continue to be antithetical to the USA.  The Bill of Rights does not include the right to engage in treasonous speech.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2018, 07:26:11 PM »

As a patriot, I think flying it, even on private property, should be banned.

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The CSA was an enemy of the USA during its entire existence, and the principles for which it stood continue to be antithetical to the USA.  The Bill of Rights does not include the right to engage in treasonous speech.

Yes it does. Not that flying a flag whose meaning is subjective from person to person is treasonous speech. Plus in this specific case, we are not at war with anyone who uses that flag, and flying it is in to way giving aid or comfort to the enemy.

We never had a peace treaty with the Traitorous government.  We did give pardon to those who abjured their treason, but clearly if you are wanting to fly a banner, you aren't abjuring them.  You're embracing their causes, and the whole reason the Confederacy came to be was the preservation and advancement of racial slavery.  Being Southern doesn't mean you have to be Confederate, which is mistake made all too often by those on all sides of the issues of Southern identity.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2018, 10:36:37 PM »

And for the record I am not disagreeing with Ernest on the nature of the Confederacy itself - but I do think that the fact is that there's a massive difference between, say, being on the level of Jesse Bright, and flying the Stars and Bars today.

And for the record, I think such a ban wouldn't be a good policy, tho flying that flag in anything other than very limited historical contexts can't reasonably interpreted as anything other than an endorsement of white supremacy.

The South is not the Confederacy and those who both oppose and support white supremacy who try to equate the two are simultaneously insulting the South and praising the Confederacy.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 09:29:53 PM »

A panel of historians have sent a report to the Richmond City Council recommending pulling down the statue of Jefferson Davis, but leaving the others up along Monument Avenue, though not without adding appropriate context to them:

Monument Avenue Commission: Remove Jefferson Davis monument, reinterpret others honoring Confederacy

Thoughts?

Davis is the only non-Virginian monument there.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2018, 07:59:50 PM »

Fun fact: the official "confederate" flag is actually the Virginia battle flag used by the confederacy. It ticks me off so much that I wish schools would use the actual flag that the confederate states of America used to declare their independence and not Virginia's battle flag.

The CSA never declared independence.  Rather each state that seceded declared independence and then the first seven to do so got together to form the CSA.  Fairly easy for them to do as they used the Federal Constitution and laws as their blueprint.  Of course, they made a few tweaks such as being honest about calling slaves "slaves" instead of "other Persons".  Unlike their descendants, those who seceded were proud about the fact they did so to ensure the right of white men to own African slaves would not be impaired.
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