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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: January 16, 2014, 07:35:44 PM »

And, of course, for the rest of the world it is just another European colonial project...

Yup.  I expect that in the long term, the stelladers will end up being as successful as the crusaders a millennium earlier were in holding onto to the Holy Land.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 11:03:42 AM »

The Jews didn't decide to expel Palestinians. The Palestinians were ordered to leave by the Arab States, so that they could commit a genocide on the new state of Israel. They agreed, happily.

We were supposed to let them all march back in after that?

The Palestinians left in the expectation that it would be better to return alive after the Arab armies conquered than to die at the hands of Irgun and Lehi terrorists like those at Deir Yassin who had foolishly believed that if they were peaceful, they could receive peace in return.  It wasn't until after Deir Yassin that the Arab governments recommend that Arabs leave before they could be killed by Zionist thugs.  If they hadn't left, I fully expect that thousands more would have been massacred at the hands of those criminals.

If a Jewish State was to be established as recompense for the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, how about a chunk of Germany with Nuremberg as its capital?  (Perhaps the Roma could have a chunk of Austria with Linz as its capital?)  Instead, what has happened in the Levant has been not just a demonstration that two wrongs don't make a right, but that seventy-seven wrongs don't make a right.  Not that I expect the Sons of Lamech will ever grasp that before they are eventually flooded out of the Levant.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 08:57:33 PM »

The Jews have 300 nukes powerful enough to fend off any invader, up to and including superpowers.

Nope.  If they cared to, any of the five nuclear superpowers could nuke Israel right now without much worry since Israel does not have the ability to project force far from its borders.  Also, the idea that Israel will be able to maintain military superiority over its neighbors for the rest of history is ludicrous. Plus, who said that the nuclear option or even war would be the cause of Israel's downfall?  While I don't expect the ultra-Zionists to go too far in the near future, it's entirely possible that Israeli goes too far and ends up being a pariah state to all. Do you really think Israel can survive that long if it gets subject to sanctions on the level of apartheid-era South Africa or present day Iran or North Korea.  It's not as if the world really needs anything Israel produces and once sanctions start to bite, the more moderate and secular Jews are going to leave for other countries where they can put their skills to use.  If expected demographic trends take hold, it wouldn't take much of a exodus of Israeli Jews to make Israeli Arabs the majority.  Once that happens, either the Zionists have to give up either democracy or the idea of a Jewish state.  Probably the former, with new versions of Irgun and Lehi springing up to terrorize Israeli Arabs so as to force then to choose between leaving or dying.  Mankind in general tends to find it easier to be hatefully evil than to be good, and the Zionists are no exception to the general rule, just an example of it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 09:01:34 PM »

When we occupy northern Mexico and start settling people there while denying the Mexicans things like freedom of movement and the right to vote and be citizens, you can get back to me with your comparisons.

To be fair, aren't. Arizona, California, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, and Utah all formerly part of northern Mexico?   I suspect that's part of the reason some people there are threatened by Mexican immigration.  They're afraid the Mexicans might reclaim what was originally theirs.  (Well really it was the Indians', but you know what I mean.)
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 10:13:54 AM »

Not all of them left, why didn't it happen over and over again anyway?

If you take a look at the maps of where Arabs live today in Israel and of the 1947 partition plan, you'll notice that almost all of them live in what under the 1947 partition plan were to be Arab areas.  So yeah, they did leave until general war broke out and they got occupied too quickly to leave.

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Well, since I find the idea of carving out a Jewish State at the expense of people already living there generally stupid, doing it in Germany at least has the advantage of being a reciprocal action against people who had actually done unwarranted harm to the Jews.  The only place on Earth it wouldn't be totally stupid to carve out a new nation today is probably Antarctica or some southern islands.
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