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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: July 10, 2012, 08:43:10 AM »

1864: Even bigger stakes.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 03:10:19 PM »

I've heard that both the Confederacy and slavery were pretty much unrecoverable by the end of Lincoln's first term.
The election of 1864 was largely determined by the events on the battlefield.  With Atlanta in Confederate hands, it is likely that McClellan would have won that election, and the Confederacy would have survived.  That said, I disagree with those who think Johnson could have held the city until Election Day.  Placing Hood in command only hastened Atlanta's fall. However, Johnson might have been able to force Sherman to retreat after briefly taking Atlanta.  In a very real sense Sherman retreated from Atlanta after taking the city, since even after Hood had butchered the Army of Tennessee he was able was still able to put a pinch on Sherman, but in our timeline Sherman retreated from Atlanta by marching to the sea instead of back to Chattanooga.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 04:49:39 PM »

I'd think the most important election was in the 20th century.  19th century Presidents really didn't have much power compared to the Congress, plus federal laws were much easier to violate back then.

OK, then I would say the 1912 election, where a fluke division of the GOP handed the election to the Democrats.  In 1913 they gave us the Federal Income Tax, the Federal Reserve, and the Direct Election of senators.  That's a sea change.

Except that is not the case. While amateur "historians" like to blame or praise Wilson for those three things, his election was not the cause of any of them.

Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson all campaigned in favor of a central bank.

All three campaigned in favor of the Sixteenth Amendment which had been sent to the states in 1909. Thirty-three states had ratified it before the nominating conventions had been held, and the needed thirty-sixth state, (Delaware, New Mexico, or Wyoming), ratified after the election, but while Taft was still in office

Direct election of Senators is even less due to Wilson, since at least with the central bank and the income tax he had a role in shaping the enabling legislation.  The Senate reluctantly agreed in 1912 to send the Seventeenth Amendment to the States to forestall a Second Constitutional Convention from being called.  Twenty-seven states (four short of what was needed then) had formally called for a convention to be held to propose such an amendment because of Congressional inaction, and it was widely expected that if the Senate had not caved, a Convention would have been called.  Again, all three major Candidates campaigned in favor of the amendment, and while it was not ratified until Wilson had been in office a month, Wilson played only a role as one of numerous cheerleaders for its passage.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »

Since I really don't like Wilson, I do tend to take a good look at what he tend to get credit for.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 10:13:01 PM »


No, because Obama's winning. Grin
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