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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: November 09, 2010, 11:45:27 PM »

IWell, around the time when the law was written, the Isrealites knew nothing but of slave matters. They needed these laws in order to behave themselves. Now today we know better.

This argument has two problems. One is that it ignores the fact that part of what I'm speaking out against is some of these laws you're talking about. The second one is that since God was quite actively talking to people in the OT he could have educated them on these matters in question so that they would know better, but clearly he didn't.

The problem with that argument is that the Hebrews in the OT repeatedly proved unwilling to be educated.  They most definitely used free will in contravention of God's law.
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 12:56:44 PM »

I read a book called God's Third Strategy which advanced an interesting theory. It is premised, granted, on dropping the notion of God's infallibility though.

The basic argument is that God's goal is to reunite with humanity which has chosen sin (Adam, Eve and all that jazz). First he does with with the OT strategy of pummeling peope in various ways, releasing floods and so on. This doesn't really work very well. So then he he attempts the whole love and understanding thing that Jesus does. This works better but not well enough, because the demands on faith are simply too high. So then he switches over to a third one - disappearing. The idea there is basically that by disappearing people were eventually forced to think for themselves, drop fatalism and come up with ideas of their own to solve practical problems, such as curing diseases or preventing starvation. Eventually, however, we will have solved or nearly solved those problems but still be stuck with moral problems. Then, having exhausted the scientific approaches people will turn to God again and be truly prepared to join Him again.

It's a bit out there, but I found to be an interesting approach to the subject.

Actually, that argument doesn't require that God have tried various strategies and then discovered that they failed.  Under that premise, the Old Testament is basically God making the case to mankind that unless He eliminates free will, he can't simply pummel mankind into submission, since when He had done that, people still fall away from His teachings.  Hence God could have known all along that the Hebrews would keep straying.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 11:56:20 PM »

1) However, there's a larger amount of people in Christianity than in Islam

Given current population trends it is projected that in a couple of decades Islam will overtake Christianity in number of adherents.
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