Are all the crazy Obama rumors...

[Keystone Phil]

Alot of people, whether they mean to or not, associate being black with being "unpatriotic" or "unamerican."

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[Keystone Phil]

Alot of people, whether they mean to or not, associate being black with being "unpatriotic" or "unamerican."

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Didn't Jesse Helms believe that the civil rights fighters were communists trying to undermine democracy?
And hadn't Jeff Sessions said that NAACP and ACLU were communist-inspired organizations?
 

Ah, yes. Now there are two people speaking on behalf of "most Americans" on issues of race.

[Keystone Phil]

Alot of people, whether they mean to or not, associate being black with being "unpatriotic" or "unamerican."

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Didn't Jesse Helms believe that the civil rights fighters were communists trying to undermine democracy?
And hadn't Jeff Sessions said that NAACP and ACLU were communist-inspired organizations?
 

Ah, yes. Now there are two people speaking on behalf of "most Americans" on issues of race.

That claim was never made. He was simply suggesting that alternative criticisms are created for particular people or movements to hide the true reasons behind one's opposition/discomfort.

Nobody is claiming that that equals a majority of Americans....as a majority of Americans doesn't believe the garbage.

I think he was using them as an example that "a lot" of Americans feel that way about blacks and that's pretty damn ridiculous.

[Keystone Phil]

Franzl is right. Even though in the 1960's and 70's when these accusations were made I wouldn't be surprised to see a majority of whites to agree with them.

There is no basis whatsoever that "many" Americans agree with these accusations (especially today).

[Keystone Phil]

Franzl is right. Even though in the 1960's and 70's when these accusations were made I wouldn't be surprised to see a majority of whites to agree with them.

There is no basis whatsoever that "many" Americans agree with these accusations (especially today).

But Phil...."many" is relative. Imagine how many people supported Joseph McCarthy's crusades...just as an example of how crazy some people can get.

Maybe that's why, when we have these conversations, we shouldn't use words like "a lot." Sure, there may be a lot of racists in the country but when we compare that to the entire population, there aren't that many.

[Keystone Phil]

Well alot could be 10 or 15 percent of the country and that many people are probably admirers of Helms.

Ok...

1) That's as idiotic as the previous accusation. 10-15% of Americans are Helms' admirers? Really, dude?

2) Even if they admire Helms, that doesn't mean they agree with his points about the NAACP, ACLU, etc./don't necessarily believe blacks are un-American.

[Keystone Phil]

Well alot could be 10 or 15 percent of the country and that many people are probably admirers of Helms.

Ok...

1) That's as idiotic as the previous accusation. 10-15% of Americans are Helms' admirers? Really, dude?

2) Even if they admire Helms, that doesn't mean they agree with his points about the NAACP, ACLU, etc./don't necessarily believe blacks are un-American.

How is that idiotic? If 10 percent of people think Obama is a muslim, I am sure that AT LEAST 10 percent of Americans have favorable opinions of Helms because of what he said about the ACLU and NAACP. Polls/studies have shown that at least that many people are racist or bigoted in some fashion. 30 million people=alot.

But what you don't understand is that those comments about the NAACP and ACLU aren't necessarily beliefs that blacks themselves are un-American. The NAACP and the ACLU (I don't even know why they're mentioned) don't dictate what it means to be black.

[Keystone Phil]

But what you don't understand is that those comments about the NAACP and ACLU aren't necessarily beliefs that blacks themselves are un-American. The NAACP and the ACLU (I don't even know why they're mentioned) don't dictate what it means to be black.

Come on Phil! You aren't that naive.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that Reagan's ''welfare queen'' and the Willie Horton ads weren't really race-baiting.

Again, disapproval of the NAACP and ACLU =/= thinking blacks are "un-American." Save your paranoia and handwringing for someone else.

And, again, I have no idea why the ACLU is even mentioned here.

[Keystone Phil]

[Again, disapproval of the NAACP and ACLU =/= thinking blacks are "un-American." Save your paranoia and handwringing for someone else.

And, again, I have no idea why the ACLU is even mentioned here.

I mentioned ACLU because the ranking Republican in the Judiciary Comitte called it "un-American" and "Communist-inspired".

Ok, but that has nothing to do with calling blacks "un-American."

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Uh, because it is a sane position and I think most people are sane.

 

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Uh huh. Again, I'd like to see some proof and not some ridiculously stretched out, "Well, Politician X said this and Y amount of Americans support him/her so they must agree with that position" reasoning.

By the way, the argument you just used is totally flawed. Just because a few politicians go on rants doesn't mean there's a big group of people following it. I can find some radical left wing nut in Congress that goes on about an issue that only a few people know/care about but that doesn't mean there's a big following.

And, again, saying such things about the NAACP and ACLU does not mean you think blacks, as a whole, are "un-American."