One in 20 young German men neo-Nazis

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The xenophobia in Europe is real and a little sad/scary.

But I sure as hell the amount of time they have to lecture Americans about their xenophobia/racism/backwards thoughts...

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The xenophobia in Europe is real and a little sad/scary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)

Rules of law = xenophobia

Excellent

[Keystone Phil]

The xenophobia in Europe is real and a little sad/scary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)

Rules of law = xenophobia

Excellent

I agree with Al. Why on Earth does the fact that something is law keep it from being based on xenophobic intentions?

It's xenophobic to have immigration laws?

I'm tired of this thought process that there are xenophobic motives behind anything dealing with those that enter this country illegally.

By the way, no more racketeering charges, please. It's simply anti Italian xenophobia.

Why is preventing law breakers from social services xenophobia? Al, can I come to England as a visitor and be a beneficiary of your NHS? And if not, why are you being such a xenophobe?

If you're a resident, you are entitled to care regardless of nationality.

No, you're not. If you're a citizen, you're entitled to care.

I expect better from you.

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No, you're not. If you're a citizen, you're entitled to care.

I expect better from you.

Incorrect according to Wikipedia:

The NHS provides healthcare to anyone normally resident in the United Kingdom with most services free at the point of use for the patient though there are charges associated with eye tests, dental care, prescriptions, and many aspects of personal care.

Uh...

Are you serious? Read the first line of what you posted. We're talking about CA and Social Security. This isn't the NHS or the UK, pal. Sorry.

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Why is preventing law breakers from social services xenophobia? Al, can I come to England as a visitor and be a beneficiary of your NHS? And if not, why are you being such a xenophobe?

If you're a resident, you are entitled to care regardless of nationality.

This was a response to StatesRights' question about access to the NHS in Britain.

Sorry for the confusion.

But excluding States wouldn't be xenophobic and no one would call it that anyway. Bring up an American that opposes drivers licenses, Social Security, etc. for those that enter this country illegally and you're xenophobic. It's disgusting.

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although I do believe it is concerning healthcare and the like, but that wasn't what I was saying in that quote.

Why is one thing xenophobic and the other isn't?

It's no xenophobic for me to oppose granting privileges to those that enter this country illegally. Those privileges aren't granted to everyone. Now I'm not saying I don't want an illegal immigrant to be denied emergency care but giving them the benefits of Social Security, Medicare, etc. is a blatant disregard of the law. I'd say that to an illegal Latino immigrant, to an illegal German immigrant, to an illegal Italian immigrant...

[Keystone Phil]

If someone is working in the US, they are paying Social Security taxes, so I don't see any non-xenophobic reason to deny them the payout on that. Besides, illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive Social Security in the US anyway. All that's possible is that ONCE THEY BECOME LEGAL they can receive payouts on what they paid in while illegal. That just seems like common sense.

Uh huh. I'm sure all of those employers are really paying those workers on the books.

And I guess I'm a xenophobe for feeling the exact same way if an Italian does this.  

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I don't believe that they deserve the benefits of citizenship when they blatantly disregard the rule of law. First drivers licenses, then health benefits...

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Are Canadians living here illegally? This isn't an issue concerning showing valid ID; it's about the benefits of citizenship.

although I do believe it is concerning healthcare and the like, but that wasn't what I was saying in that quote.

Why is one thing xenophobic and the other isn't?

It's no xenophobic for me to oppose granting privileges to those that enter this country illegally. Those privileges aren't granted to everyone. Now I'm not saying I don't want an illegal immigrant to be denied emergency care but giving them the benefits of Social Security, Medicare, etc. is a blatant disregard of the law. I'd say that to an illegal Latino immigrant, to an illegal German immigrant, to an illegal Italian immigrant...

Oh sure, I agree on social security and long term government programs.

But medical care is something special, and emergency care isn't the only relevant part of ensuring health. Preventive care is sometimes much more important. Or take cancer or diabetes...these aren't covered by "emergency care", but they're absolutely vital.

So now we're just going to give out that care to anyone that shows up? Where does it end?

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They're not qualified to be driving here legally to begin with. Amazing how we care about how the obey the laws of the road but not the law when it comes to citizenship...

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Phil, I think you're confusing xenophobia and racism.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm not. 

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Why is preventing law breakers from social services xenophobia? Al, can I come to England as a visitor and be a beneficiary of your NHS? And if not, why are you being such a xenophobe?

If you're a resident, you are entitled to care regardless of nationality.

This was a response to StatesRights' question about access to the NHS in Britain.

Sorry for the confusion.

But excluding States wouldn't be xenophobic and no one would call it that anyway. Bring up an American that opposes drivers licenses, Social Security, etc. for those that enter this country illegally and you're xenophobic. It's disgusting.

Illegals get social security? I wonder how they got their number........

Well, not Social Security but others advocate for them, claiming they have a "right" to other benefits and it's not xenophobic for me to oppose that.

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Why is preventing law breakers from social services xenophobia? Al, can I come to England as a visitor and be a beneficiary of your NHS? And if not, why are you being such a xenophobe?

If you're a resident, you are entitled to care regardless of nationality.

This was a response to StatesRights' question about access to the NHS in Britain.

Sorry for the confusion.

But excluding States wouldn't be xenophobic and no one would call it that anyway. Bring up an American that opposes drivers licenses, Social Security, etc. for those that enter this country illegally and you're xenophobic. It's disgusting.

Illegals get social security? I wonder how they got their number........

Well, not Social Security but others advocate for them, claiming they have a "right" to other benefits and it's not xenophobic for me to oppose that.

What people advocate for Social Security is that ONCE THEY BECOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that they can collect on benefits that they paid in when they were illegal.

And what about the more immediate services that people argue they are "entitled" to have?

Just realize (as hard as it is for a stubborn person like yourself) that we do have other reasons to oppose this other than xenophobia. I really didn't expect this from someone like yourself since you typically dislike these silly racial/ethnic battles.

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The lack of angry campaigns to "do something" about (say) jaywalkers speaks volumes...

Comparing jaywalking to illegal immigration. Awesome.

 

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Well, I'm opposed to wreckless driving and lying on tax returns but because they're not as visible as issues there's some deep seeded xenophobia that I don't recognize? Give me a break.

Again, people don't care as much about lying on tax returns but do want to punish organized crime. Deep seeded fear of Italians?

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No, that isn't my point. My point is that you don't see angry movements against these things because the people doing them are, for the most part, seen as fellow citizens by most people and the media (and because it's often "respectable" people who're especially bad offenders).

Uh...first of all, to compare the breaching of those laws is absolutely insane. Jaywalking is as bad as illegal entry into the country? Are you serious?

Secondly, I don't give a damn if they're my "fellow citizens." I don't care about jaywalking or even speeding as much because it's not that extreme (especially not the former).

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How's that any worse than you comparing blatant disregard for the law that has a great impact on a society's safety to...jaywalking?