Sarah Palin's daughter IS pregnant, actually

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Ha, looks like the conspiracy-mongering nuts did us some good for once! Thank you idiots!

Wait...uh...how were they right? How does this make their previous theory true?

This isn't exactly ideal but I don't see how this story is relevant. The other one would have been because it invovled lying and a coverup. This one doesn't.

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Ha, looks like the conspiracy-mongering nuts did us some good for once! Thank you idiots!

Wait...uh...how were they right? How does this make their previous theory true?

This isn't exactly ideal but I don't see how this story is relevant. The other one would have been because it invovled lying and a coverup. This one doesn't.

I didn't say they were right. Just that they forced this to be revealed. I doubt it would've been released as it appears to have only been so to put an end to that stupid rumor.

I'm sorry. I confused your post with someone else's.

Do you believe this ought to be discussed? If yes, how is this relevant at all to the campaign?

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And there you have it. Goldmine material?

I just hope to God he isn't right...

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I still want to know if anyone feels that this ought to be relevant in the campaign.

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I still want to know if anyone feels that this ought to be relevant in the campaign.

No.

But whether it ought to be is irrelevant to whether or not it will be.

I totally agree.

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I have yet to hear it even mentioned because of the storm. It's either talk about the hurricane or preparations for the convention.

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The simple fact is, a lot of people with conservative social values believe that women who have full-time careers and families do a disservice to the latter because they can't be in both places at once. They're right, there are trade-offs.

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Except they have been drooling over this pick since it happened. This news might dampen their excitment but probably not much. I think they'll also appreciate that she's actually keeping the child and getting married.

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And neither do I, for the record.

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McCain knew. I don't think she's forced to marry this guy because of the campaign. This would have happened even if Palin was still just the Governor.

I mean, come on, Palin is supposed to be the most socially conservative VP in the nation's history, yet raises her children to be irresponsible and promiscous. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that family consideres women as objects. This is what happens when you believe that morality is the government's responsibility.

Aargh. Please don't do this, it derails the thread into outrage and means we don't discuss the issue as it really plays out.

The guy is a troll.

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Teenager having sex -> Teenager having sex without precautions -> Teenager is a slut -> Teenager has bad judgment all-around -> Teenager's mom didn't raise her right -> Sarah Palin would be a terrible Vice President

Ay, logical leap here.

The hypocrisy on abstinence education is relevant.

Because her daughter didn't listen to what she believes? Uh...

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Teenager having sex -> Teenager having sex without precautions -> Teenager is a slut -> Teenager has bad judgment all-around -> Teenager's mom didn't raise her right -> Sarah Palin would be a terrible Vice President

Ay, logical leap here.

The hypocrisy on abstinence education is relevant.

Because her daughter didn't listen to what she believes? Uh...

Maybe if she'd believed differently her daughter's life would have turned out differently? Oh well....

Disgusting. So now because someone believes in abstinence, it's their fault that someone gets pregnant? It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

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Teenager having sex -> Teenager having sex without precautions -> Teenager is a slut -> Teenager has bad judgment all-around -> Teenager's mom didn't raise her right -> Sarah Palin would be a terrible Vice President

Ay, logical leap here.

The hypocrisy on abstinence education is relevant.

Because her daughter didn't listen to what she believes? Uh...

Maybe if she'd believed differently her daughter's life would have turned out differently? Oh well....

Disgusting. So now because someone believes in abstinence, it's their fault that someone gets pregnant? It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

No Phil. I never said that.

Then what the hell did you mean when you said, "Maybe if she'd believed differently..."

Give me a break, dude.

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So much for the abstinence only sex ed advocated by her mother.

Hey...turn on C-SPAN. There's the President smiling during a hurricane, taking pictures with some military people. How dare he? Make yourself productive and post a few of those images all over the place.

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Perhaps the most notable thing to me is to consider how Republicans would react had she been a Democrat?

Does anyone honestly believe that there wouldn't be scores of conservatives up in arms about the "lack of family values" or how it reflected "poor parenting skills".   If it had been someone like Chelsea Clinton would they really have been able to resist that line.   Can the social conservatives here honestly claim that they wouldn't have pursued such an avenue?  Vigorously?

Nonetheless, for the McCain campaign anything that takes the focus off the major issues is probably a net benefit.

Well, let's think of it this way - how did Mike Huckabee, the once prominent voice of many social conservatives in this country, react when we found out that Britney Spears' sister was pregnant? Sure, the Spears' have a reputation for being "conservative" Republicans but at the time the family was an easy target for ridicule in society. What did Huckabee say? He came out against bashing the young girl, expressed joy in her desire to keep and raise the child and wished her all the best.

This situation isn't ideal for anyone that is so young and unmarried but I will always find an overwhelming positive in the story when the young mother decides to keep her baby, grow up in her own ways and raise the child. I think many of us do the same.

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Well, let's think of it this way - how did Mike Huckabee, the once prominent voice of many social conservatives in this country, react when we found out that Britney Spears' sister was pregnant? Sure, the Spears' have a reputation for being "conservative" Republicans but at the time the family was an easy target for ridicule in society. What did Huckabee say? He came out against bashing the young girl, expressed joy in her desire to keep and raise the child and wished her all the best.

That's nonsensical because the Spears family aren't the political opponents of the Republicans, leaders in a party the Republicans claim is on the wrong side of the culture war destroying America.

Most people don't know about the political leanings of the Spears family so it could still be used just as easily.

It's interesting that of all the scary stories that have come out about Palin's positions on the issues and such, that'll this will probably be the thing that sinks her. It's a funny world we live in.

Attack her on this and we'll see who ends up getting sunk.

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Certainly not sink her, but in the crucial couple of days since we as a nation met her, this seems to be one of the big stories (of course, I don't have a TV, so I don't know if they're talking about this beyond the internet news sites).

Yeah, there isn't a hyped up hurricane hitting Louisiana anymore.

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I think this story is Strike Four...or is it Five?...for the Palin Hate Brigade.

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I think this story is Strike Four...or is it Five?...for the Palin Hate Brigade.

A strike how? The source for this story is Palin herself. Of course no one has ever posted anything negative about Obama.

The spinning of the story is the strike.

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I should mention that I thought Obama's response on this front was well nigh excellent.

Yep, unlike his filth supporters.

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I should mention that I thought Obama's response on this front was well nigh excellent.

Yep, unlike his filth supporters.

Every once in a while I try to obey the rule - "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing."  Difficult sometimes.

So many of these people are absolute scum. I have no problem calling them like I see them. They are absolute hypocrites.

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Like the "Obama the terrorist Muslim" rumormongers, they are pretty contemptible.

Absolutely. I have always spoken out against that. It really irritates me.

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Stay classy, Atlas forum.

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So many of these people are absolute scum. I have no problem calling them like I see them. They are absolute hypocrites.

Who's been behaving like filth over this, other than the trolls?

We must have a lot of trolls then.

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So many of these people are absolute scum. I have no problem calling them like I see them. They are absolute hypocrites.

Who's been behaving like filth over this, other than the trolls?

We must have a lot of trolls then.

Point out the posts you find filthy that weren't also called out as trolls by the Dems, then.

If you're going to call people filth, do it by name.

I'm not combing through this seventeen page thread to find every insult and every bit of amusement at this news. You and several others have responded in a responsible, mature manner. I can't say that for many others.