England Turning Resentful of Scottish Desire for Independence

[Keystone Phil]

I've always had an interest in the union dissolving. Let Scotland go, give Northern Ireland back and just let Wales...uh...do their own thing, too.

[Keystone Phil]

I've always had an interest in the union dissolving. Let Scotland go, give Northern Ireland back and just let Wales...uh...do their own thing, too.

The Northern Irish (a majority) don't want to be given back, and these days the more prosperous Republic of Ireland, doesn't want them. There's the rub.

My apologies. I meant give it back (put it to a vote) or even let it become its own, totally independent country.

[Keystone Phil]

I've always had an interest in the union dissolving. Let Scotland go, give Northern Ireland back and just let Wales...uh...do their own thing, too.

I've always had an interested in Italy dissolving. Let Lombardy go, give South Tirol back and just let the South... uh... do their own thing, too.

Why be an asshole about it? I have no impact on whether it happens or not. It's just an opinion.

Don't be so hostile because I don't like your "comedy" routine everywhere else, Al. Really. Or are you mad because Wales is rather pointless?

[Keystone Phil]

Hmm... what? When? Where? I don't see why calling for the breakup of Italy is anymore absurd than calling for the breakup of the U.K. Historically speaking it makes more sense, actually.

Though as it happens I'm not overfond of nation states at all. Beyond a certain, basically nominal, point at least.

You only responded the way I did to get under my skin. It wasn't relevant to the discussion.

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Sicily and Pennsylvania aren't countries. Sicily and Pennsylvania each have a better economy than Wales. Sicily and Pennsylvania actually have much more major destination points. Sicily and Pennsylvania have a much more interesting history.

I can see this going on for awhile but I'll just say that my not so serious comment was only posted because you wanted to pick a fight about Italy. I wasn't looking to insult anyone concerning the break up of the United Kingdom. I've posted quite seriously about it in the past.

[Keystone Phil]

Naples has some nasty slums surrounding it, as you will see when you go there.

I've been there. It doesn't seem that bad though I don't live there so I haven't truly experienced it.

I don't think a Southern Italian wants to argue about who is from a backwater area of their country

Often exaggerated.

[Keystone Phil]

Of course.

Assuming that is sarcasm, explain why you posted it.

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I was saying that that's what I'd like to see. You thought you'd shut me up about it "supporting" the break up of Italy. Whether you think the break up of the country is possible or not, that's not what this is about. I stated my opinion and you didn't like it.

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Sicily and Pennsylvania have a much more interesting history.

Go and read about Welsh history sometime.

Luckily, I don't suffer from insomnia.

See the comments above.

[Keystone Phil]

Sicily and Pennsylvania have a much more interesting history.

Go and read about Welsh history sometime.

Luckily, I don't suffer from insomnia.

Your Stat Panel suggests you're frequently on well past midnight.

Well, uh, thanks for checking that but that doesn't suggest insomnia. I stay up very late and sleep peacefully until late morning. 

[Keystone Phil]

Sicily and Pennsylvania have a much more interesting history.

Go and read about Welsh history sometime.

Luckily, I don't suffer from insomnia.

Your Stat Panel suggests you're frequently on well past midnight.

Well, uh, thanks for checking that but that doesn't suggest insomnia. I stay up very late and sleep peacefully until late morning. 

Well, I'm still not quite sure what your point was with the insomnia thing.

I don't need something to help put me to sleep. Thanks.

[Keystone Phil]

Don't make such funny assumptions.

Again, Wales seems rather boring to me but most of my comments on this were exaggerated. Such a pity that the comments about Sicily (and even Pennsylvania) aren't deemed "exaggerated" by those posting them.

[Keystone Phil]

I'm not sufficiently egotistical to think that I could shut you up.

You're right, Al. I'm a loud mouth Italian American. There's no shutting up this stereotypical, dago, arrogant American, right?

[Keystone Phil]

I'm not sufficiently egotistical to think that I could shut you up.

You're right, Al. I'm a loud mouth Italian American. There's no shutting up this stereotypical, dago, arrogant American, right?

Two plus two does not equal fifty eight.

And, as expected, I get a typical coded response from Al! Yay!

[Keystone Phil]

The fact that God himself would struggle to shut you up and the fact that you are an Italian-American are seperate. It's not my fault that you see ethnic (or sectarian) slurs behind the mildest of remarks.

It's a mild remark to say that I can't be shut up by even God?

You're right, Al. I don't shut up. I don't cave like other people on this forum and just accept everything you say as the word of some heavenly, enlightened being. I can tell that it gets under your skin. To you, I'm just an arrogant, uneducated bomb thrower while you're the "mild mannered" genius.

By the way, it would be a real struggle to shut your mouth, too. I couldn't imagine going a day without hearing your brilliant yet vague insight into everything!

Pot calling the kettle black when it comes to arrogance, Al.

[Keystone Phil]

Not that long ago you were complaining that people didn't "get" that your remarks were exaggerated...

Uh...relevance?

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Oh, I know, Al. You're for the working man.

[Keystone Phil]

Some.

There's that classic annoying Al response! Vague as ever. Keep it up.

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Al, you can play up your love for the working class coal miners from West Virginia or Wales or whoever and still ooze that educational snob attitude.

For being someone who apparently can't be shut up, I'd like to just end this soon since it's going no where. I think you made a comment about Italy breaking apart just because that's what you "want" just to annoy me.

[Keystone Phil]

If I'd responded in more detail you'd only have gotten more irritated.

Ok, Al. You're known for giving vague answers when you don't know/feel like answering in full. Don't blame it on someone else.

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You certainly act superior. It's a side affect of the constant ass kissing you receive around here.

You have talked down to me on more than one issue especially regarding Europe/European politics because you're the know it all and I'm the ignorant, loud mouth American who happens to disagree with you most of the time.

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Yeah, no one can force me to shut up. Now it's said in a positive way. Earlier, you used it to be insulting; to make me seem like an arrogant, loud mouthed asshole.

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[Keystone Phil]

Can be read in several different ways. That's the point. The basic observation is true (as you yourself have just ended up proving here), which is also the point.

Al, you just gave three answers to whether or not you were calling me a loud mouth.

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Goldmine material

I respect people a whole lot more if they stop doing one thing and saying something else.

[Keystone Phil]

Goldmine material

How so?

You don't have a problem with me? As I said before, you've made plenty of condescending remarks directed my way in the past and you've just admitted that your comment about me being a loudmouth is, to an extent, an insult.

[Keystone Phil]

give South Tirol back.

Please do so ASAP.

The whole region or just the northern part?

All of it.

I'm not sure at country of 8 million will cope very well with getting at 600.000 person minority closely related to a 55 million neighbour. A new irridenta, perhaps.

That's 58 million, thank you very much. 

[Keystone Phil]

give South Tirol back.

Please do so ASAP.

The whole region or just the northern part?

All of it.

I'm not sure at country of 8 million will cope very well with getting at 600.000 person minority closely related to a 55 million neighbour. A new irridenta, perhaps.

That's 58 million, thank you very much. 

56.5 million after you dump South Tirol and the Trentino.

Well, we don't plan on getting rid of any of that so... 

[Keystone Phil]

Question: Which secessionist/autonomist movement in Italy does the general consensus of the international board think is the most likely to secede? I ask this in here since it's too minor a question for it's own thread and the euro posters are in here.

The Padania morons. It better never happen.