what if hillary said....

[Keystone Phil]

I love the lack of attention from Obama supporters.

I brought this up before, too. I guarantee that there would be strong, persistent calls for her to drop out.

[Keystone Phil]

I love the lack of attention from Obama supporters.

I brought this up before, too. I guarantee that there would be strong, persistent calls for her to drop out.

I'll take a page out of Opebo's playbook simply because it *may* be relevant.

Its one thing for historically and socio-economically disadvantaged group to vent at the group that has enjoyed the most success and has the most advantages.  Its petulant and perhaps annoying yes, but relatively speaking its not as bad as the reverse situation the superior using a poor stereotype for the weaker.

We cut the underdog a bit of slack, as we should.  It doesn't make Obama's typical white person stereotype right (although I suspect there's some truth in it, though it could have been put better).  But there's really no excuse for the reverse to occur.

For what its worth.

"The underdog." Wow. So much for moving towards that true racial equality!

As long as we keep excusing one group from everything, we're never going to reach the point that people say they want to reach. "Oh, it's ok. You can say that. You're the underdog. Keep beating up on the bad white man."

Oh, and don't excuse stereotypes for Obama with saying, "Well, it might be true." Again, I can't say that some stereotypes about blacks are true, right?

[Keystone Phil]

I love the lack of attention from Obama supporters.

I brought this up before, too. I guarantee that there would be strong, persistent calls for her to drop out.

I'll take a page out of Opebo's playbook simply because it *may* be relevant.

Its one thing for historically and socio-economically disadvantaged group to vent at the group that has enjoyed the most success and has the most advantages.  Its petulant and perhaps annoying yes, but relatively speaking its not as bad as the reverse situation the superior using a poor stereotype for the weaker.

We cut the underdog a bit of slack, as we should.  It doesn't make Obama's typical white person stereotype right (although I suspect there's some truth in it, though it could have been put better).  But there's really no excuse for the reverse to occur.

For what its worth.

"The underdog." Wow. So much for moving towards that true racial equality!

As long as we keep excusing one group from everything, we're never going to reach the point that people say they want to reach. "Oh, it's ok. You can say that. You're the underdog. Keep beating up on the bad white man."

Oh, and don't excuse stereotypes for Obama with saying, "Well, it might be true." Again, I can't say that some stereotypes about blacks are true, right?

I understand that line of thought, but for a group that's been so trampled on in our history and now, surely some indulgence has to be made when its them and not us who are out of line, considering how often its been the reverse.

So they'll complain and get away with their mistakes because they're "the underdog" for how long? What period of time will "make up" for what was done to them? A hundred years? Two hundred? Then what? When do we move towards racial equality?

I won't excuse Obama's stereotypes just as he wouldn't excuse mine. Remember, Obama was a vocal critic of the nappy headed 'ho stereotype...

[Keystone Phil]

Has Obama gotten away with a mistake? I seem to recall him losing some support poll wise and has had to repudiate those remarks.  Its not like he's gotten away scot free.

The point is that it isn't the firestorm it would have been if the white woman said it.

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It's sadly not realistic because the same people who preach about racial equality are simply hypocrites and opportunists.

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"Blame the white man but give the black a pass" isn't the path the racial equality, moose. I know you enjoy finding reasons why it's not as bad for Obama to say what he said but if you want to take that route, don't complain about the need for real equality.

[Keystone Phil]

You fail to understand that it isn't a free pass, Phil. Obama's getting flak for it. Is he getting less flak than if Hillary said something similar? Of course.  Obama has a mitigating factor, Hillary doesn't.

Your argument about there being a "mitigating factor" is enough of a free pass for me.

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I am in no way saying that or believe that. I'm simply fighting the hypocrites that want to talk about us all moving forward together towards racial equality (people like yourself, I'm sure) and then make an excuse everytime a black person does something like this.

By the way, I don't want to live in a color blind society. I want to live in a society where we embrace our differences.

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It's unreasonable because there has to be a time when enough is enough. You still didn't answer my question: when will enough time pass so that we don't have to excuse people when they do this? When will minorities reach the point where they've gotten their "revenge" for being put down? When do we move forward? We are constantly told that this must be done and yet everytime someone of the "unpriveledged" status slips up, there is an excuse. When does that end or will the finger pointing go on forever? If it is never ending, don't lecture us of the "priveledged" position about not making advances in race affairs. Thanks.

[Keystone Phil]

You want me to believe that Clinton and Obama are on the same footing to begin with, and the broader proposition that blacks and whites are on equal footing (or rather equal enough footing)?  And if they're not, why can't we take the disparity into account when analyzing why we all suppose Hillary will get different treatment compared to what Barack has gotten?

Let's just start treating people like people. How about that? Constantly taking into account "disparity" (which Obama himself really didn't suffer from) gets us no where. We start telling people they wrong no matter what their race may be.

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But would I be ready to complain from years about the bad treatment our ancestors received? No, I wouldn't.

I'm not asking blacks to forget about their horrible experiences. I'd never ask that. All I'm asking is that they receive the same lecture that whites receive. Playing down the remarks will never solve our problems with race in America.

[Keystone Phil]

Obama explained exactly what he meant in the interview, if you'd look beyond the snippets of sound bites that are played ad nauseum on Fox "News".

Cute statement especially since it is known that I am no fan of FOX News.