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Keystone Phil
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« on: February 21, 2005, 09:45:56 AM »

(Two guys huddle around the office water cooler during a break....)

Bob: Hey Jim. What's up?

Jim: Eh..not much.

Bob: I hate having to work on a federal holiday.

Jim: Yeah tell me about it...hey how about that Election during the weekend?

Bob: Now that was something. I couldn't believe what was going on here in D3!

Jim: Yeah I know. Listen...I'm not a big Naso fan but he sure fooled me. I didn't think he would come close let alone be up by five votes!

Bob: Yep and now look at Nym. There's an extra week and now he wants to campaign.

Jim: Hah. I know. Well I'll tell you...I really hope Naso wins this thing. He's worked the hardest for it.

Bob: Absolutley. I think he's going to take it. I'm telling my neighbors to get out and VOTE NASO this weekend. I know that's what I'll be doing!

Jim: Same here. Now what about this Santorum guy. I heard he might run for President...

VOTE NASO - HE'S BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR D3 THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2005, 11:23:54 AM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2005, 02:23:55 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2005, 05:22:35 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2005, 06:51:14 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2005, 06:56:36 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2005, 07:19:35 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.

Stop avoiding the question. Find a Naso detailed plan.

Well, I know he passed a bull regarding workers rights early in his term, which shows he has presented detailed plans in a bill. And since his latest bill failed on a veto, I would think he would reintroduce it if Lewis or Al becomes President, and then it would likely pass.



I haven't seen a detailed plan from either. I just see that Naso is clearly more dedicated. Nym isn't fooling anyone. He obviously didn't see Naso as a threat and opted not to campaign. Now he'll like be out of a job. The people want dedication and as we could see from the results that started coming in on Friday, Naso was committed to the voters.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2005, 07:33:36 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.

Stop avoiding the question. Find a Naso detailed plan.

Well, I know he passed a bull regarding workers rights early in his term, which shows he has presented detailed plans in a bill. And since his latest bill failed on a veto, I would think he would reintroduce it if Lewis or Al becomes President, and then it would likely pass.



I haven't seen a detailed plan from either. I just see that Naso is clearly more dedicated. Nym isn't fooling anyone. He obviously didn't see Naso as a threat and opted not to campaign. Now he'll like be out of a job. The people want dedication and as we could see from the results that started coming in on Friday, Naso was committed to the voters.

Well if the incumbent doesn't offer change, which would be in the form of a detailed plan, don't you stick with the incumbent, who has done well in the Senate, if not on the campaign trail.

If the incumbent can't campaign, he shouldn't be re-elected and Nym won't be re-elected.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2005, 08:11:13 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.

Stop avoiding the question. Find a Naso detailed plan.

Well, I know he passed a bull regarding workers rights early in his term, which shows he has presented detailed plans in a bill. And since his latest bill failed on a veto, I would think he would reintroduce it if Lewis or Al becomes President, and then it would likely pass.



I haven't seen a detailed plan from either. I just see that Naso is clearly more dedicated. Nym isn't fooling anyone. He obviously didn't see Naso as a threat and opted not to campaign. Now he'll like be out of a job. The people want dedication and as we could see from the results that started coming in on Friday, Naso was committed to the voters.

Well if the incumbent doesn't offer change, which would be in the form of a detailed plan, don't you stick with the incumbent, who has done well in the Senate, if not on the campaign trail.

If the incumbent can't campaign, he shouldn't be re-elected and Nym won't be re-elected.

It's record speaks for itself.

Yes, Mr. President, this is another classic. And remarkably civil, unlike the Phil v. Flyers ones.

Actually, my debates with Flyers were usually civil. We wouldn't flip out and start cursing each other off.

Anyway, saying "the record speaks for itself" is weak reasoning as to why Nym didn't campaign.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2005, 08:35:19 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.

Stop avoiding the question. Find a Naso detailed plan.

Well, I know he passed a bull regarding workers rights early in his term, which shows he has presented detailed plans in a bill. And since his latest bill failed on a veto, I would think he would reintroduce it if Lewis or Al becomes President, and then it would likely pass.



I haven't seen a detailed plan from either. I just see that Naso is clearly more dedicated. Nym isn't fooling anyone. He obviously didn't see Naso as a threat and opted not to campaign. Now he'll like be out of a job. The people want dedication and as we could see from the results that started coming in on Friday, Naso was committed to the voters.

Well if the incumbent doesn't offer change, which would be in the form of a detailed plan, don't you stick with the incumbent, who has done well in the Senate, if not on the campaign trail.

If the incumbent can't campaign, he shouldn't be re-elected and Nym won't be re-elected.

It's record speaks for itself.

Yes, Mr. President, this is another classic. And remarkably civil, unlike the Phil v. Flyers ones.

Actually, my debates with Flyers were usually civil. We wouldn't flip out and start cursing each other off.

Anyway, saying "the record speaks for itself" is weak reasoning as to why Nym didn't campaign.

I fail to see what campaigning has to do with being a quality Senator. For his entire term, Nym has proposed bills, been present for nearly every vote, and done everything that could be asked of a Senator. Naso needs to campaign more because he has no record.

You know what. You're right. Don't campaign. From now on everyone should just create voters and follow your campaign tactics. Sound good?
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2005, 09:46:20 PM »

Nym was actually helping District 3 by working on improvements to their lives in the Senate, rather than simply going out and writing down some conservative talking points.

Other hard workers in the Senate have time to campaign. You mean to tell me that all of Nym's "hard work" took up his whole schedule?

You let me know when making videos becomes neccessary for a Senator to do his job.

Perhaps Mr. Naso could comment on what goes on in the Senate, his position on bills that were up for consideration instead of simply making ads that say he "has a plan".

I didn't say Nym had to make videos. Campaigning alittle more would have been nice.

What specifically does Mr. Naso plan to do about the problems facing Atlasia, instead of simply saying they are there and that they need to be fixed. Nym has actually changed things, Naso hasn't even published legislation that he would propose.

Naso has stated his beliefs while on the campaign trail. Nym would do the same except we never see him...except for when he realizes "Oh wow. I'm about to lose to Mike Naso. Better start campaigning!"

Can you find one solution of his that he believes would fix a problem that he has mentioned? Since when does posting a lot of rhetoric equal a quality Senator?

I think the fact that he dedicates time to the voters will make him a good Senator.

Find a detailed Naso solution to a problem. Quantity is not quality.

I haven't really seen any detailed plans from Nym though.

Stop avoiding the question. Find a Naso detailed plan.

Well, I know he passed a bull regarding workers rights early in his term, which shows he has presented detailed plans in a bill. And since his latest bill failed on a veto, I would think he would reintroduce it if Lewis or Al becomes President, and then it would likely pass.



I haven't seen a detailed plan from either. I just see that Naso is clearly more dedicated. Nym isn't fooling anyone. He obviously didn't see Naso as a threat and opted not to campaign. Now he'll like be out of a job. The people want dedication and as we could see from the results that started coming in on Friday, Naso was committed to the voters.

Well if the incumbent doesn't offer change, which would be in the form of a detailed plan, don't you stick with the incumbent, who has done well in the Senate, if not on the campaign trail.

If the incumbent can't campaign, he shouldn't be re-elected and Nym won't be re-elected.

It's record speaks for itself.

Yes, Mr. President, this is another classic. And remarkably civil, unlike the Phil v. Flyers ones.

Actually, my debates with Flyers were usually civil. We wouldn't flip out and start cursing each other off.

Anyway, saying "the record speaks for itself" is weak reasoning as to why Nym didn't campaign.

I fail to see what campaigning has to do with being a quality Senator. For his entire term, Nym has proposed bills, been present for nearly every vote, and done everything that could be asked of a Senator. Naso needs to campaign more because he has no record.

You know what. You're right. Don't campaign. From now on everyone should just create voters and follow your campaign tactics. Sound good?

Way to change the subject Phil. Every time I back you into a hole, you just bring up that whole incident and, voila, you win!

Rhetoric does not equal expertise or the ability to get things done.

Hahaha! This is coming from the guy who tried avoiding the fact that he lied and wanted to blame it on big bad Keystone Phil and his mean tactics. Please. You're a joke, pal. I answered your question. I told you neither really put out a plan.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2005, 09:54:44 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2005, 10:03:19 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.

Seeing as he just made a 15 paragraph speech on the issues, I think he understands them. Naso doesn't even understand that you can't cut taxes for only one district. Mr. Vice-President, do you support cutting taxes for district 3 only, then for the other districts at a later date, as Mr. Naso does?

Didn't that speech come after the fact he was losing his election?

I believe that Mr. Naso made alittle error when he said he wanted to cut taxes for District 3. Some of us told him that that cannot happen. It was explained to him.

You can act slick if you want, Akno. This is why I am thrilled that Naso rejected your request for an interview. Your attacks and talking down on Naso has gone too far. Mike Naso atleast has the decency to be honest with the voters unlike a certain former Democratic candidate from D2.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.

Seeing as he just made a 15 paragraph speech on the issues, I think he understands them. Naso doesn't even understand that you can't cut taxes for only one district. Mr. Vice-President, do you support cutting taxes for district 3 only, then for the other districts at a later date, as Mr. Naso does?

Didn't that speech come after the fact he was losing his election?

I believe that Mr. Naso made alittle error when he said he wanted to cut taxes for District 3. Some of us told him that that cannot happen. It was explained to him.

You can act slick if you want, Akno. This is why I am thrilled that Naso rejected your request for an interview. Your attacks and talking down on Naso has gone too far. Mike Naso atleast has the decency to be honest with the voters unlike a certain former Democratic candidate from D2.

This debate is not about me, or about you. It is about Senator Nym90 and Chief of Staff Mike Naso.

Mike Naso "campaigned" more than Nym. Campaigning, which is basically throwing a few sentences of rhetoric, "Lower taxes", "Better education system", "cut wasteful government spending", A fresh set of ideas for D3" and simply repeating it over and over again. Nym has a record. Look at the Senate votes. Read his speeches. It doesn't matter when they were made, he will still have the same critical thinking skills if he is returned to Nyman to legislate if he made the speech this morning or two weeks ago.

A quick question for you regarding Mr. Naso. On the 12th of February, you created a thread that said we need a mature Senator in D4, and you were bashing Senator StatesRights. Do you believe Mr. Naso has been mature, from his comments about Asians, his insults to Senators, and other things?

Of course Naso rejected my request for an interview, the last two times didn't turn out so well for him.

I'm not here as Press Secretary for Mike Naso. You just got done saying this wasn't about me and you yet you question me about this stuff.

Naso rejected your interview at my request (and some others). It's not that it didn't work out well. Open your eyes, Akno. The guy was crushing Nym. Your past interviews don't matter. Now you're just out to take out your anger on Naso before the voting begins.
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2005, 11:31:19 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.

Seeing as he just made a 15 paragraph speech on the issues, I think he understands them. Naso doesn't even understand that you can't cut taxes for only one district. Mr. Vice-President, do you support cutting taxes for district 3 only, then for the other districts at a later date, as Mr. Naso does?

Didn't that speech come after the fact he was losing his election?

I believe that Mr. Naso made alittle error when he said he wanted to cut taxes for District 3. Some of us told him that that cannot happen. It was explained to him.

You can act slick if you want, Akno. This is why I am thrilled that Naso rejected your request for an interview. Your attacks and talking down on Naso has gone too far. Mike Naso atleast has the decency to be honest with the voters unlike a certain former Democratic candidate from D2.

This debate is not about me, or about you. It is about Senator Nym90 and Chief of Staff Mike Naso.

Mike Naso "campaigned" more than Nym. Campaigning, which is basically throwing a few sentences of rhetoric, "Lower taxes", "Better education system", "cut wasteful government spending", A fresh set of ideas for D3" and simply repeating it over and over again. Nym has a record. Look at the Senate votes. Read his speeches. It doesn't matter when they were made, he will still have the same critical thinking skills if he is returned to Nyman to legislate if he made the speech this morning or two weeks ago.

A quick question for you regarding Mr. Naso. On the 12th of February, you created a thread that said we need a mature Senator in D4, and you were bashing Senator StatesRights. Do you believe Mr. Naso has been mature, from his comments about Asians, his insults to Senators, and other things?

Of course Naso rejected my request for an interview, the last two times didn't turn out so well for him.

I'm not here as Press Secretary for Mike Naso. You just got done saying this wasn't about me and you yet you question me about this stuff.

Naso rejected your interview at my request (and some others). It's not that it didn't work out well. Open your eyes, Akno. The guy was crushing Nym. Your past interviews don't matter. Now you're just out to take out your anger on Naso before the voting begins.

You obviously are unoffically on his campaign team, if he was asking you whether he should agree to an interview with me. Did I ever deny the guy was beating Nym? Can you find the post?

And you are taking out your anger on me. If I were actually taking my anger out on Naso, I wouldn't be talking to you.

I'm not saying you aren't denying that he's beating Nym with a direct quote but you're trying your hardest to discredit his campaign.

I'm not taking my anger out on anyone. You barge into the thread, not even knowing the point of the ad. The point is that Nym hasn't even bothered to campaign until after the fact that he was going to lose. Now you're angry over that, tried to get an interview with Naso, got rejected and now you want to come in here and say "Well you're on his team." I thought this wasn't about you and I, Akno? Want revenge for me exposing your lies? Do it elsewhere.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2005, 11:41:41 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.

Seeing as he just made a 15 paragraph speech on the issues, I think he understands them. Naso doesn't even understand that you can't cut taxes for only one district. Mr. Vice-President, do you support cutting taxes for district 3 only, then for the other districts at a later date, as Mr. Naso does?

Didn't that speech come after the fact he was losing his election?

I believe that Mr. Naso made alittle error when he said he wanted to cut taxes for District 3. Some of us told him that that cannot happen. It was explained to him.

You can act slick if you want, Akno. This is why I am thrilled that Naso rejected your request for an interview. Your attacks and talking down on Naso has gone too far. Mike Naso atleast has the decency to be honest with the voters unlike a certain former Democratic candidate from D2.

This debate is not about me, or about you. It is about Senator Nym90 and Chief of Staff Mike Naso.

Mike Naso "campaigned" more than Nym. Campaigning, which is basically throwing a few sentences of rhetoric, "Lower taxes", "Better education system", "cut wasteful government spending", A fresh set of ideas for D3" and simply repeating it over and over again. Nym has a record. Look at the Senate votes. Read his speeches. It doesn't matter when they were made, he will still have the same critical thinking skills if he is returned to Nyman to legislate if he made the speech this morning or two weeks ago.

A quick question for you regarding Mr. Naso. On the 12th of February, you created a thread that said we need a mature Senator in D4, and you were bashing Senator StatesRights. Do you believe Mr. Naso has been mature, from his comments about Asians, his insults to Senators, and other things?

Of course Naso rejected my request for an interview, the last two times didn't turn out so well for him.

I'm not here as Press Secretary for Mike Naso. You just got done saying this wasn't about me and you yet you question me about this stuff.

Naso rejected your interview at my request (and some others). It's not that it didn't work out well. Open your eyes, Akno. The guy was crushing Nym. Your past interviews don't matter. Now you're just out to take out your anger on Naso before the voting begins.

You obviously are unoffically on his campaign team, if he was asking you whether he should agree to an interview with me. Did I ever deny the guy was beating Nym? Can you find the post?

And you are taking out your anger on me. If I were actually taking my anger out on Naso, I wouldn't be talking to you.

I'm not saying you aren't denying that he's beating Nym with a direct quote but you're trying your hardest to discredit his campaign.

I'm not taking my anger out on anyone. You barge into the thread, not even knowing the point of the ad. The point is that Nym hasn't even bothered to campaign until after the fact that he was going to lose. Now you're angry over that, tried to get an interview with Naso, got rejected and now you want to come in here and say "Well you're on his team." I thought this wasn't about you and I, Akno? Want revenge for me exposing your lies? Do it elsewhere.

I don't think Mike Naso is better qualified than Nym90 to be a Senator and I am prepared to debate that point, as I have here.

How did I barge into the thread? Threads are open to everyone unless they are locked, and I have every right to comment if I feel the need to.

You can't seem to get the point that spewing out rhetoric at a frantic pace, which is basically what campaigning is, is NOT a representation of whether a person actually deserves the job. Has Nym missed anything in the Senate? If lack of campaigning would translate into lack of activity in Nyman, I haven't seen it.



When I said barge in, I meant you came in without knowing the topic. The topic - Nym's lack of campaigning. He had time. He chose not to campaign. That's a problem in my eyes. If he can't dedicate enough time to highlight what he sees as important then why should he be re-elected?

By the way, you're missing the point that suddenly he starts campaigning after the fact that he was about to get beat.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2005, 11:50:40 PM »

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Who's paying more attention to the issues? Naso or Nym? If Nym can't campaign, he doesn't pay that much attention.

Seeing as he just made a 15 paragraph speech on the issues, I think he understands them. Naso doesn't even understand that you can't cut taxes for only one district. Mr. Vice-President, do you support cutting taxes for district 3 only, then for the other districts at a later date, as Mr. Naso does?

Didn't that speech come after the fact he was losing his election?

I believe that Mr. Naso made alittle error when he said he wanted to cut taxes for District 3. Some of us told him that that cannot happen. It was explained to him.

You can act slick if you want, Akno. This is why I am thrilled that Naso rejected your request for an interview. Your attacks and talking down on Naso has gone too far. Mike Naso atleast has the decency to be honest with the voters unlike a certain former Democratic candidate from D2.

This debate is not about me, or about you. It is about Senator Nym90 and Chief of Staff Mike Naso.

Mike Naso "campaigned" more than Nym. Campaigning, which is basically throwing a few sentences of rhetoric, "Lower taxes", "Better education system", "cut wasteful government spending", A fresh set of ideas for D3" and simply repeating it over and over again. Nym has a record. Look at the Senate votes. Read his speeches. It doesn't matter when they were made, he will still have the same critical thinking skills if he is returned to Nyman to legislate if he made the speech this morning or two weeks ago.

A quick question for you regarding Mr. Naso. On the 12th of February, you created a thread that said we need a mature Senator in D4, and you were bashing Senator StatesRights. Do you believe Mr. Naso has been mature, from his comments about Asians, his insults to Senators, and other things?

Of course Naso rejected my request for an interview, the last two times didn't turn out so well for him.

I'm not here as Press Secretary for Mike Naso. You just got done saying this wasn't about me and you yet you question me about this stuff.

Naso rejected your interview at my request (and some others). It's not that it didn't work out well. Open your eyes, Akno. The guy was crushing Nym. Your past interviews don't matter. Now you're just out to take out your anger on Naso before the voting begins.

You obviously are unoffically on his campaign team, if he was asking you whether he should agree to an interview with me. Did I ever deny the guy was beating Nym? Can you find the post?

And you are taking out your anger on me. If I were actually taking my anger out on Naso, I wouldn't be talking to you.

I'm not saying you aren't denying that he's beating Nym with a direct quote but you're trying your hardest to discredit his campaign.

I'm not taking my anger out on anyone. You barge into the thread, not even knowing the point of the ad. The point is that Nym hasn't even bothered to campaign until after the fact that he was going to lose. Now you're angry over that, tried to get an interview with Naso, got rejected and now you want to come in here and say "Well you're on his team." I thought this wasn't about you and I, Akno? Want revenge for me exposing your lies? Do it elsewhere.

I don't think Mike Naso is better qualified than Nym90 to be a Senator and I am prepared to debate that point, as I have here.

How did I barge into the thread? Threads are open to everyone unless they are locked, and I have every right to comment if I feel the need to.

You can't seem to get the point that spewing out rhetoric at a frantic pace, which is basically what campaigning is, is NOT a representation of whether a person actually deserves the job. Has Nym missed anything in the Senate? If lack of campaigning would translate into lack of activity in Nyman, I haven't seen it.



When I said barge in, I meant you came in without knowing the topic. The topic - Nym's lack of campaigning. He had time. He chose not to campaign. That's a problem in my eyes. If he can't dedicate enough time to highlight what he sees as important then why should he be re-elected?

By the way, you're missing the point that suddenly he starts campaigning after the fact that he was about to get beat.

I would like to thank Nym for not wasting Dave's space with pointless advertisements.

By your standards, we should elect John, he starts a lot of threads, and made his positions known through many speeches.

Why does campaigning matter? Nym has a thread, if you actually need to know an issue position, post in that thread, and I'm sure he will answer to the question. Perhaps Nym did not want to waste the voters time with idealogical speeches. People know where he stands. And if they don't, they can ask.

Actions should speak for themselves. Nym's do.

Oh shut up, Akno. You want to make this into me vs. you and I'm tired of it. Nym didn't commit himself until after he saw he was getting crushed. I can't wait until he is beat this weekend.

Now you want to say that campaigning doesn't matter? Give me a break, pal.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2005, 11:57:15 PM »

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You want to keep this going? Fine. If talk isn't that important, why didn't Nym stay off the campaign trail after the votes were destroyed? If his actios spoke so loud, why was he losing by five votes? The voters of D3 don't think his actions are speaking loud enough and when all the votes come in, we'll see how loud Nym's voice in the Senate is.
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2005, 12:03:18 AM »

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You want to keep this going? Fine. If talk isn't that important, why didn't Nym stay off the campaign trail after the votes were destroyed? If his actios spoke so loud, why was he losing by five votes? The voters of D3 don't think his actions are speaking loud enough and when all the votes come in, we'll see how loud Nym's voice in the Senate is.

If you actually read Nym's speech, you gain a sense that he really knows what he's talking about, and is prepared to make it happen.

In any event, I don't know why Naso was winning, I can't speak for those who voted for him. My comments above indicated Nym should win, not that I thought the voters were actually sold on him.

I think we should end this, seeing as we aren't in D3 anyhow.

I like that you ignored the point about Nym waiting until after the results showed he would lose to start campaigning.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2005, 12:08:20 AM »

You two have been going at it for a couple of hours now. Maybe its best if you both just drop it and let the outcome on Sunday speak for itself.

Sorry MHS, but I just hate it when people say "this is not about us" yet want to make it into a fight. Akno is a troublemaker.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2005, 12:29:34 PM »

I realize Phil is probably just being hyperbolic, but I did campaign a few times before last week.

There were also, of course, the debates, one on the Forum itself, one in Teamspeak.

Regarding Naso's tax plan, he is still sticking by it, so if it's been explained to him that it's unconstitutional and yet he still supports it, I don't see how that's a point in his favor.

Nym, don't try to fool anyone. Your campaigning was very minimal. Of course, when the votes were destroyed and now having an extra week, you decide to get moving. Naso has made it clear to the voters that he wants their vote. He has fought hard for it. He deserves this seat and he'll get it, too.

As for his tax plan, I don't think Naso believes tax cuts will only be for his district. We have discussed this with him in the past. Now if he still insists on it, well that's a strike against him.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2005, 03:47:11 PM »

You two have been going at it for a couple of hours now. Maybe its best if you both just drop it and let the outcome on Sunday speak for itself.

Akno is a troublemaker.

Who here is not?

I don't see anyone else making the comments and participating in the corruption like you have.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2005, 04:06:19 PM »

You two have been going at it for a couple of hours now. Maybe its best if you both just drop it and let the outcome on Sunday speak for itself.

Akno is a troublemaker.

Who here is not?

I don't see anyone else making the comments and participating in the corruption like you have.

To single me, or people like Flyers, out as the reason Atlasia has been having problems lately is naive. It's people like you who can't let an insult go by unresponded that creates the attitude we have.

What is wrong with making comments?

I'm supposed to let insults go unresponded? Should I insult you and say "Oh just let it go?" Now you should be able to insult me and let it go because others might get an attitude?

You and Flyers were problems. You defined corruption.

You're a corrupt, slime ball who doesn't even deserve to be mentioned as a part of Fantasy elections.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2005, 04:15:36 PM »

You two have been going at it for a couple of hours now. Maybe its best if you both just drop it and let the outcome on Sunday speak for itself.

Akno is a troublemaker.

Who here is not?

I don't see anyone else making the comments and participating in the corruption like you have.

To single me, or people like Flyers, out as the reason Atlasia has been having problems lately is naive. It's people like you who can't let an insult go by unresponded that creates the attitude we have.

What is wrong with making comments?

I'm supposed to let insults go unresponded? Should I insult you and say "Oh just let it go?" Now you should be able to insult me and let it go because others might get an attitude?

You and Flyers were problems. You defined corruption.

You're a corrupt, slime ball who doesn't even deserve to be mentioned as a part of Fantasy elections.

Ever been in a diverse public school Keystone? If you responded to every insult the way you do you'd be expelled five times over.

*walks away*

Right. So let's insult each other and let it go. You're a corrupt slimeball. Bye.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2005, 04:19:34 PM »


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By the way, I know that was a swing at me, punk. You know that I go to a Catholic school and your point made no sense.
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