Republicans still talking about rape, for some reason

[Keystone Phil]

Phil Gingrey, a doctor (or does he count as like a "self loathing doctor" or something? You know, like the black Republicans/Tea Partiers?), should not be allowed to speak on this. He should be ashamed of himself. Doesn't he know the narrative is already set?

Wow, so when a 13 year old get pregnant with her uncles child, she's not a victim, but just a slut?

...what?

[Keystone Phil]

Tammy Bruce said it best on Twitter: Note to all politicians, STFU about rape.

Or to use a Lois line from MITM: "WTH is wrong with you! Have you gone completely insane!" (All caps)

Correct. If you believe something is wrong, just shut up. LEADERSHIP.

[Keystone Phil]

I'd suggest going back and read Gingrey's comments again if I was talking to a reasonable person. Here's the issue: a) I'm not talking to one b) re-reading means you had to have read it already. I'm willing to bet the Smash level hacks didn't even read it.

[Keystone Phil]

Smash, please spare me the "respect for being Pro Life" line. All of these rape comments have had your side licking their chops, using this to label any position contrary to your side's on women's issues as "hateful towards women." There aren't real, respectful debates on these issues anymore. It's "agree with us on women's issues or you're a Neanderthal. This isn't up for debate anymore."

[Keystone Phil]

Ok, I'll explain this since you have a very difficult time understanding many things: the "legitimate rape" thing was a reference to forcible rape. Here's something I think you actually understand but you want to be disingenuous. If a girl is a victim of statutory rape, yes, she was raped. Stop trying to make it seem like Republicans don't believe it to be rape. Because her boyfriend didn't force himself on her, there isn't the same level of trauma. But you want to keep playing this game where there's no difference with statutory rape. Whatever. I assume this was brought up so Gingrey could say, "Forcible rape didn't cause the pregnancy. The girl lied. She got pregnant as a result of statutory rape so there wasn't the same level of trauma."

If you seriously believe people in the medical community haven't argued that extreme sudden stress can affect ovulation then you're a bigger moron than I previously thought. In no way did Gingrey or I argue that that necessarily prevents all pregnancy. Period.

[Keystone Phil]

Smash, I'll say this one final time because I'm not interested in engaging in this stupid game; the game where I say something and it's twisted in the most heinous of ways to suggest Statement X is "Pro Rape." It's sad that it's come to that these days but whatever. Anyway, here's my final comment: you're out of your mind if you don't think medical research has shown that extreme sudden trauma can affect ovulation. You're cherry picking what the medical community is condemning and applying it to mine and Gingrey's comments. Totally disingenuous but not surprising coming from a nimrod like yourself.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil's not interested in playinjg this silly game where he debates issues. But he's terribly terribly offended. Same as it ever was.

Yep, "ANTI WOMEN RETHUGS!!!" is a far more productive way to "debate." But you get on that high horse about others not debating properly!

And I'm not sure why pointing out that extreme sudden trauma can prevent pregnancy doesn't count as a "real debate." Oh, I remember. It doesn't jive with your BS. You know, for all of your whining about how I can't be bothered with debating, I'll note that you didn't both to address my actual points in this thread. You're more interested in trolling any time I post. Like a fat kid on cake. Same as it ever was (in more ways than one)...

Phil Gingrey should be allowed to speak.  He should also be ridiculed if he's wrong.  Want to know why the narrative is set here?  It's because he's wrong.

http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378%2896%2970141-2/abstract
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-003-1014-0
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/context-and-variation/2012/08/20/here-is-some-legitimate-science-on-pregnancy-and-rape/
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2FS0749-3797%2800%2900243-9
(the second link suggests that rape actually increases the probability of pregnancy!)

Which doesn't negate the point that extreme sudden trauma can prevent it. For maybe the fourth time, I'll say that neither I nor Gingrey agreed with Akin's remark that pregnancy simply cannot happen after rape.

[Keystone Phil]

The other "You don't debate issues" pontificator! As irritating as memphis is, no one quite matches the level of Marokai. I often wonder when the child last saw daylight.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil's not interested in playinjg this silly game where he debates issues. But he's terribly terribly offended. Same as it ever was.

Yep, "ANTI WOMEN RETHUGS!!!" is a far more productive way to "debate." But you get on that high horse about others not debating properly!

And I'm not sure why pointing out that extreme sudden trauma can prevent pregnancy doesn't count as a "real debate." Oh, I remember. It doesn't jive with your BS. You know, for all of your whining about how I can't be bothered with debating, I'll note that you didn't both to address my actual points in this thread. You're more interested in trolling any time I post. Like a fat kid on cake. Same as it ever was (in more ways than one)...

Not even. More like

It's not even about policy or facts for him. It's about who can scream the loudest.

Still haven't bothered to engage me on any points. But again, keep up the high horse routine.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil Gingrey, a doctor (or does he count as like a "self loathing doctor" or something? You know, like the black Republicans/Tea Partiers?), should not be allowed to speak on this.

And Todd Akin was a member of the Science & Technology committee.

Ah, ok. I guess the way Gingrey became a doctor is very similar to how Akin got selected for that committee.

Thanks for continuing your streak of half-assed talking point responses. Can always count on you for consistency, at least.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil's not interested in playinjg this silly game where he debates issues. But he's terribly terribly offended. Same as it ever was.

Yep, "ANTI WOMEN RETHUGS!!!" is a far more productive way to "debate." But you get on that high horse about others not debating properly!

And I'm not sure why pointing out that extreme sudden trauma can prevent pregnancy doesn't count as a "real debate." Oh, I remember. It doesn't jive with your BS. You know, for all of your whining about how I can't be bothered with debating, I'll note that you didn't both to address my actual points in this thread. You're more interested in trolling any time I post. Like a fat kid on cake. Same as it ever was (in more ways than one)...

Not even. More like

It's not even about policy or facts for him. It's about who can scream the loudest.

Still haven't bothered to engage me on any points. But again, keep up the high horse routine.

All it takes is a simple wikipedia search:
Current scientific consensus is that rape is as likely to lead to pregnancy as is consensual sexual intercourse.[1][2] In some countries where abortion is illegal even after rape and incest, over 90% of pregnancies in children under 14–15 are due to rape by family members.[3] The false belief that pregnancy can almost never result from rape was widespread for centuries.[2][4][5] In recent decades, several prominent politicians in the United States who oppose legal abortion in cases of rape, and some organizations opposing legal abortion in the US and other countries, have advanced claims that pregnancy very rarely arises from it, and that the practical relevance of such exceptions to abortion law is therefore limited or non-existent.[6][7][8]

Frankly, the idea of rape "shutting things down" struck me as so absurd as not to need to a response, especially after Phil's meltdown, but here we are.

...and you didn't address what I said. At all. I never said rape isn't likely to cause pregnancy. I said extreme sudden trauma can prevent it. But keep copying and pasting from Wikipedia. I hear it's an excellent exercise.

[Keystone Phil]

Yeah, after your first post in response to me here, please lecture me about the ToS. You and Marokai. Please. Go on. I'm waiting for my lesson. Be sure to cite Wikipedia, too, and reprimand me for not debating at your professional level!

I can't wait until the moderators trim some of the fat from this thread.