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« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2012, 12:16:48 PM »
Just read that there was a leadership debate between Bersani, Renzi and Vendola yesterday. It's being described as a "game show style" format. 

The Chicago Tribune found it worthy to note that Renzi wore a purple tie because it was "favored by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair." Uh...isn't purple the official Anti Berlusconi color? That probably has more to do with it (or Renzi just wanted to wear purple).

33% said Bersani won while 31% said Renzi won the debate.
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2012, 12:37:47 PM »
They're not used to formal debates. They usually just argue on talk shows so the set up at podiums with time buzzers made it seem like a game show.

By the way, the PD official website added to the comedy by posting a photoshopped image of each candidate's head on each Fantastic 5 character.
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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2012, 04:13:06 PM »
Yeah, I read that he takes the casual dress thing to a whole new level. Not wanting to wear a tie during the debate? Come on. Now it just seems like an act. Though Sky forcing him to wear one seems just as silly.
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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2012, 03:56:12 PM »
Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?
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« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2012, 11:56:04 AM »
Former Youth Policy Minister Giorgia Meloni has thrown her hat in the ring. It's looking like a real circus for the Right. Alessandra Mussolini is even in the running.
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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2012, 06:31:04 PM »
Well, I wish the "whores with no ideology" would make up their damn minds as to when the primary will be. Tongue You'd think a party with everyone and their mother running for leader would at least be able to figure that out. Why the feet dragging? And with all of these candidates, does Alfano benefit?
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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2012, 08:48:54 PM »
Quote from: Californian Tony on November 19, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life. Cry

You shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway once your family relocated to...that place.

Tongue

Who are you supporting in the primary? I guess Vendola.
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« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2012, 02:09:33 PM »
Looks like the PdL primary is set for December 16th.
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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2012, 01:10:23 PM »
Tomorrow is the first round of the center-left primary.

Does anyone know the time the polls close (Italian time) and if we can expect real time coverage (network?) or will the full results be released at one by the party at a later time?
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« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2012, 03:32:18 PM »
Quote from: Fillon, laisse pas béton ! on November 24, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
Tomorrow, already?

God, I really hope Renzi pulls an upset. After all that happened since 2008, we can't end up with Bersani.

Yep, tomorrow is the first round. The inevitable runoff is next Sunday. I think Bersani has this. If I read correctly, he seems to be pulling away and Vendola voters should go his way in the runoff. A shame...
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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2012, 04:04:02 PM »
It never ends - Silvio says he's considering a 2013 run - http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73437129/

Alfano says it makes no sense for him to run if Berlusconi returns. Then about a half hour ago, Alfano posted a video on his Facebook page featuring a montage of photos from his career and ending with an image that read "Io sto con Alfano - Primarie Popolo della Liberta."

That makes me believe there was some development between when Silvio made the statement and now, signaling that he's definitely not running. Alfano's über loyalty to Berlusconi would have prevented him from releasing such a message if he didn't know for sure that Silvio was passing on a run.
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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2012, 04:17:44 PM »
One of the candidates in the primary is Giorgia Meloni, the former Youth Minister under Berlusconi. She's 35 but I'm not sure she represents a "new" party given her Berlusconi connections.  Alfano is relatively young (42) but he has the same connections.
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« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »
I think he's trolling to take away attention from the center-left primary. Or at least that's what I hope...

Anyway, I totally forgot the youngest candidate in the running for the center-right leadership: Alessandro Cattaneo, the 33 year old Mayor of Pavia, Lombardy. So the PdL can't be called the party of just the old guys.
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2012, 06:28:14 PM »
Quote from: Fillon, laisse pas béton ! on November 24, 2012, 06:24:20 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on November 24, 2012, 06:19:59 PM
I think he's trolling to take away attention from the center-left primary. Or at least that's what I hope...

Well, that's would be a really dumb move. It's pretty clear the more attention the PdL gets, the lower it falls.

He might want to direct more attention towards Alfano leading up to this primary. Alfano continues to play loyal soldier and when Berlusconi finally gives a definite "no," he can turn to Alfano and give him the most watched blessing in Italian politics, killing off the slew of other center-right candidates.
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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2012, 07:05:07 PM »
Grazie!  Cheesy
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« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2012, 10:12:44 AM »
It was just a response to Rogue's comment that they need new, young leadership. It was my way of saying there's reason to be hopeful since it isn't a party full of (literslly) old Silvio heads. The issue, though, is that some (or most?) of the youngsters have strong connections to Berlusconi.
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« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2012, 12:38:10 PM »
Reuters is reporting that results are expected around midnight (Italian time) so I assume it's just going to be a publication of the final result. Sad
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« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2012, 01:38:29 PM »
Andrea, do you know if Sky or RAI will be covering the results live?
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« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2012, 01:59:38 PM »
RAI International will have Milan-Juve (which I'd rather watch anyway!) so I'll have to find an Internet stream. Thanks!
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« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2012, 03:04:41 PM »
Ugh. I was hoping Renzi would keep it closer. Let's hope for an exit poll error!
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« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2012, 03:14:59 PM »
Quorum Exit Poll: Bersani - 44-48%  Renzi - 31-35%
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2012, 03:23:23 PM »
Hey, maybe the Vendola voters will let their reformer side show next weekend and flock to Renzi...

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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2012, 03:25:56 PM »
He's an ex-Communist. Right up their alley.
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« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2012, 04:03:31 PM »
Quote from: Andrea on November 25, 2012, 04:01:39 PM
Renzi's team says it will be closer: 44 to 40%

First results from PD headquarter

Bersani: 406.043 (44.6)
Renzi 335.648 (36.9%
Vendola 131.041 (14.4%)
Puppato 26.890 (3.)
Tabacci 10783 (1.2%)

I was just watching the spokesperson. Their site still isn't working though!

Great news from Renzi's camp!
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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2012, 04:05:09 PM »
Renzi's Facebook status:

Matteo Renzi

I dati sono davvero molto incoraggianti. Parlerň alle 23 alla Fortezza da Basso, ma fin da adesso grazie a tutti. E a chi dice che abbiamo preso i voti della destra - come hanno detto autorevoli scienzati a In Onda, qualche ora fa - date i risultati nei singoli comuni della Toscana, dell'Umbria, di parte dell'Emilia. Le zone rosse ci tirano su. Comunque avete presente i sondaggi di queste ore? Va moooolto meglio. A dopo.
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