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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2012, 03:04:27 PM »
"Berlusconi returns?" talk will be at a fever pitch all week...
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« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2012, 03:30:54 PM »
Renzi conceding.
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« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2012, 03:45:18 PM »

Hey, they can screw it up... Wink
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« Reply #103 on: December 03, 2012, 08:39:29 AM »
Quote from: Tender Branson on December 03, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: Tender Branson on December 02, 2012, 08:24:22 AM
My prediction: Renzi to win 52-48.

When are the results coming in ?

Hmm, I thought he could pull an upset.

Probably I didn't follow the primary enough ...

"It isn't over yet..."

Wink

Quote from: Iannis on December 03, 2012, 03:32:18 AM
Quote from: RogueBeaver on December 02, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
True, but rather unlikely unless PD thoroughly self-nukes and Berlusconi runs a pitch-perfect campaign.

Luckily there's not only Berlusconi. We have to see if Bersani's coalition reach a certain percentage, expecially at the Senate.

...what are you expecting them to get that we still "have to see" about the certain percentage?
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« Reply #104 on: December 03, 2012, 04:32:03 PM »
Quote from: Fillon, laisse pas béton ! on December 03, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on December 03, 2012, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Tender Branson on December 03, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: Tender Branson on December 02, 2012, 08:24:22 AM
My prediction: Renzi to win 52-48.

When are the results coming in ?

Hmm, I thought he could pull an upset.

Probably I didn't follow the primary enough ...

"It isn't over yet..."

Wink

Sarkozy will be reelected anyone? Wink

Hey, that wasn't the craziest prediction given the result. My horrible prediction with Santorum has been matched by Tender's. Game over. Tongue
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« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2012, 07:34:09 AM »
Senate PdL members walked out of a confidence vote earlier today. Might be seeing early elections...
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« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2012, 09:54:07 AM »
Seems like Meloni is at war with Berlusconi over his possible candidacy. This is fun. Smiley

Good for her even though part of me still wonders: is thi part of an act? Does Silvio's crew have her doing this on purpose so they can control the Anti Berlusconi voices within the party? She was one of his female leaders...

Maybe the Italians here know if she had a genuine, public falling out with Berlusconi.
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« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2012, 04:39:17 PM »
Alfano: Berlusconi is a candidate.

Oh, man...
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« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2012, 05:23:36 PM »
Wouldn't this at least bring a lot of those PdL converts to M5S back to PdL? I mean, the argument was always that they didn't care about the PdL without Berlusconi so if he's back, wouldn't that please them?
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« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2012, 12:02:12 PM »
I'm hearing from a fairly well placed source that former AN members (Meloni, La Russa, Gasparri...basically the people I am familiar with/I like) will probably form a new party but will join a coalition with Berlusconi.
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« Reply #110 on: December 08, 2012, 02:33:26 PM »
While all this is going on and a snap election seems possible, it looks like voting will take place on March 10th. I've seen the Italian press using "Election Day" a lot. Does the new electoral law limit voting to one day?
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« Reply #111 on: December 08, 2012, 09:06:42 PM »
Monti resigning. Snap election?
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« Reply #112 on: December 09, 2012, 09:37:05 AM »
But if Monti doesn't want to rule with a fake majority for three months and gave Silvio the finger by bailing, denying Silvio the opportunity to campaign against him/the status quo, how will the election be in March? Will someone else be appointed to lead the government but essentially do nothing?

I understand Monti not leaving until a budget is passed but couldn't that take some time? If someone isn't appointed Prime Minister, doesn't that mean elections would have to be moved?
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« Reply #113 on: December 09, 2012, 09:58:49 AM »
Quote from: Minion of Midas on December 09, 2012, 09:45:36 AM
The election would have been in april anyways. April, march, february, does it really matter?

I guess it's a compromise: PD wants it in February (give less time for a PdL comeback) while PdL would benefit from an April vote.
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« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2012, 10:53:35 AM »
That only makes the vote personally less painful, Iannis. At the end of the day, though, those parties are going to join one of the coalitions so you're still deciding between Bersani and Berlusconi. And let's be realistic: Monti isn't getting enough support to keep one of the other two out of power.
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« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2012, 12:50:36 PM »
It looks like the election is now slated for February 17th or 24th.
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« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2012, 06:00:54 PM »
Yeah, the Renzi response was funny. It would have been more fun if he took him up on the offer though. Smiley

I'm actually in the awkward position of not caring for the big guy but will be helping a PdL candidate or two (unless they join this new AN party that's supposedly starting. One is far more likely than the other to join but it really doesn't matter since that party will join PdL in the coalition). It will be a very interesting election in more ways than one.
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« Reply #117 on: December 10, 2012, 06:11:51 PM »
Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on December 10, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
Hopefully Berlusconi gets battered as badly as the (rebranded) DC's in 1994.

That just can't happen. The support for M5S will surely come down soon enough and I'm willing to bet that Berlusconi's ratings are better than Monti's after the past year. I don't think that's enough for a victory but, you know...
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« Reply #118 on: December 10, 2012, 06:31:38 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on December 10, 2012, 06:24:45 PM
Berlusconi's pitch would've been perfect for PdL... if he or they had any shred of credibility left, which they don't. Right now they're actually behind M5S in certain polls.

No, I'm pretty sure they're behind them in every poll. Tongue

Wait until the campaign is underway. Then we'll see who is credible and who isn't. I just have a hard time believing that M5S maintains their advantage.
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« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2012, 09:36:02 PM »
Hey, he surprised before. He consistently trailed Prodi by about six points before the 2006 vote and ended up losing by only 0.1%. I know these are very different times but never say never with this guy.
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« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2012, 10:02:07 AM »
It's likely that centrist parties (I take it UdC is included) won't join either coalition? I can understand M5S (I still think they'll have a significant drop in support) but I figured the others would have to align with one of the two to form a government.
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« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2012, 10:15:55 AM »
...or is the system where the party with a plurality of the vote gets ~54% of the seats going to remain in place?
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« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2012, 12:34:54 PM »
Berlusconi is apparently at risk of being expelled from the EPP.

Meanwhile, it looks like PD is having a primary for MPs on December 29th and 30th.
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« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2012, 02:55:54 PM »
Was Berlusconi drunk earlier today? He said he'd back Monti if he ran as the candidate for the center-right.

And apparently LN isn't going to run with PdL with Berlusconi as the leader. Maroni said Silvio stepping aside would guarantee it though.
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« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2012, 03:42:53 PM »
Yeah, what's the deal with Grillo? He decided that two of the candidates weren't "true" party members or something?
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