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[Keystone Phil]

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Another one I suspected was only here to vote. I guess that is the case.

[Keystone Phil]

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Another one I suspected was only here to vote. I guess that is the case.

Hmmm...after reviewing his posts, he didn't even vote. Odd. However, he did come in the middle of the surge of Dem registrations when IrishDem wasn't looking great in terms of re-election. I'm still suspicious.

[Keystone Phil]

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Another one I suspected was only here to vote. I guess that is the case.

Hmmm...after reviewing his posts, he didn't even vote. Odd. However, he did come in the middle of the surge of Dem registrations when IrishDem wasn't looking great in terms of re-election. I'm still suspicious.

Could this be *gasp* a second fraudulent registration?

It's a sad situation when I have to consider that a possibility. I still don't believe we got the full story on GirlGoneWild.

[Keystone Phil]

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Another one I suspected was only here to vote. I guess that is the case.

Hmmm...after reviewing his posts, he didn't even vote. Odd. However, he did come in the middle of the surge of Dem registrations when IrishDem wasn't looking great in terms of re-election. I'm still suspicious.

Could this be *gasp* a second fraudulent registration?

It's a sad situation when I have to consider that a possibility. I still don't believe we got the full story on GirlGoneWild.

Still, it makes no sense not to have the guy vote in that case. Also, when they revealed GirlGoneWild they could just as well have revealed that guy too...perhaps he's actually the only person NOT part of an AFDNC scheme, legit or not, to register...that's the only reasonable explanation behind him not voting.

If IrishDem had admitted to making two accounts, I think he knows he'd be in for much, much more criticism.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not saying that Red Button was IrishDem but I think the suggestion is justified.

[Keystone Phil]

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Another one I suspected was only here to vote. I guess that is the case.

Hmmm...after reviewing his posts, he didn't even vote. Odd. However, he did come in the middle of the surge of Dem registrations when IrishDem wasn't looking great in terms of re-election. I'm still suspicious.

Could this be *gasp* a second fraudulent registration?

It's a sad situation when I have to consider that a possibility. I still don't believe we got the full story on GirlGoneWild.

Still, it makes no sense not to have the guy vote in that case. Also, when they revealed GirlGoneWild they could just as well have revealed that guy too...perhaps he's actually the only person NOT part of an AFDNC scheme, legit or not, to register...that's the only reasonable explanation behind him not voting.

If IrishDem had admitted to making two accounts, I think he knows he'd be in for much, much more criticism.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not saying that Red Button was IrishDem but I think the suggestion is justified.

Do we really need to bring it up again?  You all won the election, IrishDem screwed up, case closed.  It isn't worth discussing again.

It is worth discussing. We don't want this to happen again and I believe there is more to the story.

[Keystone Phil]

For the record, I'm fine with discussing that event as an isolated event.  I'm really getting tired of the "all AFDNC members commit voter fraud" line, however.  I would like to think that we, as mature citizens, are above asserting a Hasty Generalization fallacy over and over without regards to its falsity.

Thank you.  I'm not against discussing it, but I don't think theres a point to making silly accusations and assumptions, that aren't getting anywhere.

Are you aware that some thought connecting GirlGoneWild and IrishDem was "silly" too?

[Keystone Phil]

And now, the same thing for the Republicans...

Very Well.

9iron (MI) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

AuH2O (VA) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Chiahead (PA) - Last fantasy post Dec 12th; Barely active elsewhere.

Dazzleman (CT) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Erc (NY) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

JJ (PA) - Whilst being a brilliant, active poster elsewhere, he is inactive in here.

Lester Maddox (GA) - Last active Dec 20th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 36)

Moorein08 (ID) - Last active Dec 11th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 21)

Mr Fresh (ID) - Was this guy resurrected simply to vote? I think so.

ncjake (FL) - Last active Oct 29th; Sole fantasy contribution was to register.

NHPolitico (NH) - Rather inactive since the beginning of December; Its been a while since he was active here.

Rococo04 (OH) - Last post on Dec 14th; Personally, I don't remember this guy that much.

Sulfur (NH) - Last 2 posts: Jan 8th, Nov 17th; Was actually active here when he was posting.

Wiseguy (FL) - Total of 7 fantasy posts since registering on Dec 14th, though not very active elsewhere.

Thats 9 totally inactive out of 27 registered Republicans. There's probably about the same number right now since MHS2002 and CheeseWhiz have moved to other parties, and the Republicans probably have picked up a few registrants.

So, here's my conclusion:

The two major parties translating into Atlasia will have a third of its membership that is deadwood.

At the convention at the end of the month I will call upon the AFRNC to vote to expell these inactive party members from the AFRNC and I call on the AFDNC to do the same. If these "deadwood" members feel the need to return to fantasy politics than they may re-register but until then they should not be a part of a fantasy party.

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

No burning at the stake required, Akno, but we do want some action so Tomatosouping doesn't become a big problem again.

[Keystone Phil]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

But people knew and didn't say anything. If we were to listen to people like yourself and Fritz and not point out the fact that GirlGoneWild had suspicious activities on the forum, an illegal ballot would have been counted.

Off topic - Will you debate Mike Naso? If so, when?

[Keystone Phil]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

But people knew and didn't say anything. If we were to listen to people like yourself and Fritz and not point out the fact that GirlGoneWild had suspicious activities on the forum, an illegal ballot would have been counted.

Off topic - Will you debate Mike Naso? If so, when?

Yes, I will debate Naso. Whenever he wants to.

Who knew and didn't say anything? As far as I know, no one.

Maybe you didn't know anything but I know of atleast two that knew and still believe that Akno knew what was going on, also.

[Keystone Phil]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

But people knew and didn't say anything. If we were to listen to people like yourself and Fritz and not point out the fact that GirlGoneWild had suspicious activities on the forum, an illegal ballot would have been counted.

Off topic - Will you debate Mike Naso? If so, when?

Yes, I will debate Naso. Whenever he wants to.

Who knew and didn't say anything? As far as I know, no one.

Maybe you didn't know anything but I know of atleast two that knew

Which two?

RedefeatBush told me that he knew about this and urged IrishDem to step out of the race.

[Keystone Phil]

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

I'm becoming more and more drawn to the idea that people like Keystone Phil keep beating this issue to death over and over purely because they want to hurt innocent members of the AFDNC by implicitly associating them with something in which they had no part whatsoever, not because those people actually want to solve anything.  There are countless numbers of methods one could go about this without involving the AFDNC as a whole that treat this as what it is - an isolated event committed by an individual - but time and again no one even considers those methods.

I keep "beating" this issue because I am angry about it and don't want it to happen again. People need to be reminded. Plus, members within your party knew about this. What would happen if IrishDem just kept running and no one said a word?

[Keystone Phil]

Alcon and Harry were both informed of it by IrishDem, and immediately told him that they would reveal it if he didn't. He did then reveal it publically. So I don't see how you can hold that against them.

So again, I just don't see what they did wrong.

There were people who knew about it earlier than that and Akno has been lying about not knowing about this before IrishDem's announcement.

[Keystone Phil]

Alcon and Harry were both informed of it by IrishDem, and immediately told him that they would reveal it if he didn't. He did then reveal it publically. So I don't see how you can hold that against them.

So again, I just don't see what they did wrong.

There were people who knew about it earlier than that and Akno has been lying about not knowing about this before IrishDem's announcement.

I did not know, I had heard a rumor. There is a big difference there, Phil.

You were the campaign manager and had no idea this was going on yet others did? Alittle odd.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil drop it.  You were right before, but it doesn't mean you're right now.  I will take the AFDNC at its word and believe that they didn't know about it.  Akno is 99% innocent in my mind, with only a shread of doubt, drop it.

A current member of the Democratic party has told me that he is about 98% sure that Akno was involved.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil drop it.  You were right before, but it doesn't mean you're right now.  I will take the AFDNC at its word and believe that they didn't know about it.  Akno is 99% innocent in my mind, with only a shread of doubt, drop it.

A current member of the Democratic party has told me that he is about 98% sure that Akno was involved.

My gut tells me he isn't.  Let your source step forward and give some evidence. Then it will be in the open.

I'll try to see if the person will comment on the forum about it. Someone knowing about that stuff and not doing anything to stop it should not be elected.