Cuomo replacing Biden in 2012?

[Keystone Phil]

God forbid...

http://gothamist.com/2011/07/04/now_andrew_cuomo_for_2012_vp_rumors.php

I've believed for awhile now that Biden will be replaced as Obama's running mate to spice things up. Biden doesn't bring anything anymore (though, to be fair, a sitting Vice President rarely does) and Obama might need to bring some more excitement on the ticket.

[Keystone Phil]

He's not going to replace Biden, that would be ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? There wouldn't be a backlash and he doesn't bring much to the table anymore anyway.

The one thing about Biden as VP that's very useful to Obama is that he is such a veteran of the Hill; he knows how to conduct legislative negotiations and he knows, so to speak, where all the bones are buried. 

Knows how to conduct legislative negotiations? That doesn't seem to be the case these days...

[Keystone Phil]

 And why would Biden who has expressed interest in 2016 and has obviously noticed Cuomo's recent buzz step aside for him?  

Uh, what? When did Biden ever seriously express interest in 2016? Biden has to know that he'd get his ass kicked up and down throughout the primaries.

Plus, Biden could very well want to step aside as Vice President and angle for the job he has wanted all along: Secretary of State.

[Keystone Phil]

God forbid...

http://gothamist.com/2011/07/04/now_andrew_cuomo_for_2012_vp_rumors.php

I've believed for awhile now that Biden will be replaced as Obama's running mate to spice things up. Biden doesn't bring anything anymore (though, to be fair, a sitting Vice President rarely does) and Obama might need to bring some more excitement on the ticket.

But this would be risky as well. Changing a sitting Vice President cuz "the other one is hotter" is a cofusing signal for the voters.

Obama obviously wouldn't use that as a reason though; he'd use the Secretary of State angle. It's not like Biden would be losing anything by going with that plan. If Obama loses, he doesn't have anything anyway.

Not caving on every item on Eric Cantor's Christmas list doesn't necessarily make one a bad negotiator.  In a recent interview, Alan Simpson, who has repeatedly and rightly derided Obama for throwing fuel on the fire through his public statements during the negotiations, said at the same time of Biden: "thank God for Joe Biden, if he can't get this done, nobody can."  So, I guess Biden still has some respect among old GOP hands on the Hill.

Your talking points aside, the negotiations still weren't a success. Not necessarily blaming Biden but he can't point to GOP "obstructionism" as a victory of his.

P.S. - Alan Simpson isn't "on the Hill" anymore.

[Keystone Phil]

I agree with Lief, if such a dumb move were to happen, I would be voting Republican if nothing else than for the stupidity of such decision by both Obama and Cuomo.  Right now, I'm planning to vote for President Obama next year, but if this were to happen it would negate that vote.  It won't matter in such a deep red state like Oklahoma, but it's the principle of the matter.

You'll be voting depending on who is in the lead in the final Gallup poll, my friend. Let's be honest.

[Keystone Phil]

Your talking points aside, the negotiations still weren't a success. Not necessarily blaming Biden but he can't point to GOP "obstructionism" as a victory of his.

P.S. - Alan Simpson isn't "on the Hill" anymore.

Alan Simpson isn't "on the Hill" anymore?  Wow, I really was born yesterday.  Simpson was reflecting his own view, but the fact of the matter is that Biden is a bona fide Hill veteran, and that counts for something in legislative negotiations, and that's the main reason Obama wants to keep him where he is.  That's the point of the argument, your own snarky, smart-ass little comments aside.

You quoted Simpson then said it looked like he had respect of old GOP heads "on the Hill." Your words, not mine.

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I totally agree. That doesn't mean the President and others agree with our view though.

  

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Except, again, he isn't much of a workhorse on the Hill. On which legislation did he whip up votes for the administration?

Barackobama.com is already selling their crap with "OBAMA BIDEN" on it.

And Bush was considering putting Rudy on the ticket in 2004 while they were selling Bush-Cheney on stuff. This is minor stuff to Presidential campaigns.

[Keystone Phil]

"Biden wants to be Secretary of State" is also based on nothing.

Sure, it's based on nothing...if you don't follow American politics. 

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Beyond hilarious. Almost painful.

[Keystone Phil]

Quite the contarary, with Obama's official 2012 site already saying Obama/Biden, all evidence point towards him keeping Biden.

Why do people think this is a be all and end all? How is that "all" of the evidence?

"Oh, no! Obama-Biden is already on the keychains! They can't switch it up now!"

Again, Bush-Cheney '04 was already on material while Bush flirted with putting Rudy on the ticket...

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It would be someone new and somewhat exciting, in an effort to try to recapture the feelings surrounding Obama in 2008.