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Question: Do you prefer the lyrical style of classic hymns or Christian hardcore?
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 10, 2015, 04:50:44 PM »

Starts off good, but then devolves into the "I'm leaving Christianity for Jesus!!!" silliness. The end is nice too though.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2015, 03:16:24 PM »

Overall the biggest shortcoming of CCM is the abundance of the words "I", " me", and "my". You rarely find those words in older classical hymns and that disparity ought to tell us something.

I do listen to CCM occasionally and try to ignore the handful of heretical lines. Most of the songs that get played are decent and some are good.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2015, 10:42:34 PM »

Overall the biggest shortcoming of CCM is the abundance of the words "I", " me", and "my". You rarely find those words in older classical hymns and that disparity ought to tell us something.

I do listen to CCM occasionally and try to ignore the handful of heretical lines. Most of the songs that get played are decent and some are good.
Heretical? I may disagree with the failure of much CCM to touch upon the transformative effect God should have upon us when we are in relationship with Him, but I can't think of anything I'd call heretical in what I've listened to. Granted, the station I listen to it on is not that flacks the Prosperity Gospel. So what specifically were you referring to?

I meant the standard theological disputes generally: sola scriptura, salvation by faith alone, predestination, etc. Every once in a while a line will come that has heavy undertones for one of the above, or a similarly common one, and I'll try to just ignore that line and continue listening to the rest of the song. I honestly did mean this as a minor drawback; the major problem being the excessive usage of "I", "me", and "my" that render most CCM as less-than-suitable for much beyond listening to it in the car.

Also the poppy slowbeats are irksome; I prefer some of the stuff BRTD would like better for that reason.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2016, 09:22:30 PM »

Here's a great example of why it's so stupid to say all modern day Christian music (which of course is not the same thing as all modern day CCM) is really vapid and stupidly written:

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I don't think those lyrics are pointless at all BRTD, they clearly describe a person who is trying to commit their life to God in the midst of a struggle with despair. In fact, the lyrics specifically identify a point in the last line. It is true they lack theological rigor and undoubtedly are not becoming for use in the Holy Mass, but they are certainly teleological.

I mean, compare that to Sing a New Church:
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Now, that is nonsenical drivel.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
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E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2016, 10:14:21 PM »


Well yeah that was exactly my point. Actually you contrasted it well since I was pointing out all modern day Christian music is NOT Sing a New Church type vapid drivel.

Whoops. Tongue I misread your post to say the opposite of what it said and thus attempted to argue when we actually agree.
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TJ in Oregon
TJ in Cleve
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 6.96

« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2016, 10:38:53 PM »


Yeah, well that's what my experience of 'liberal Catholicism' has mostly been like. Picture a middle aged woman with a guitar trying to sound contemporary and 'relevant' to teenagers. It's kind of amazing the Catholic Church survived Vatican II in the US at all sometimes.
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