UK bans critics of Islam from entering

[Leftbehind]

Confirmed political extremists of whatever hue are routinely refused entry to the UK: one of the best known examples is actually Louis Farrakhan.

Farrakhan, Southern, etc. are by no means good but it's also not good to deny someone entry simply based on their political views.

Why exactly do we need to allow foreign far-right agitators to deliver leaflets in order to help engender a race war? We already have the US President retweeting a group that has contributed to the murder of one MP.

[Leftbehind]

Nobody is required to pay attention to them, and nobody really will.

Except plenty do - and a number act upon them. I'm afraid 'cos muh liberalism' doesn't really wash here. If they're so arsed about protecting their homeland how about they do that.

This goes for Farage as well - no other country should have to deal with that prick.

[Leftbehind]

tbh I disagree with this (as with the ban on Farakhan and non-violent Islamists as well). I think the Home Office has too much power in general. I'm also not sure why it really matters that they are foreign agitators; are they so much worse than homegrown fascists?

Homegrown fascists are our problem; we don't need to multiply that problem.

[Leftbehind]

tbh I disagree with this (as with the ban on Farakhan and non-violent Islamists as well). I think the Home Office has too much power in general. I'm also not sure why it really matters that they are foreign agitators; are they so much worse than homegrown fascists?

Homegrown fascists are our problem; we don't need to multiply that problem.

Telling how you don't apply that same logic to Islamic extremists.

The country has banned plenty of Islamic extremists from entering, and I support that, so I dunno what you're on about.

[Leftbehind]

tbh I disagree with this (as with the ban on Farakhan and non-violent Islamists as well). I think the Home Office has too much power in general. I'm also not sure why it really matters that they are foreign agitators; are they so much worse than homegrown fascists?

Homegrown fascists are our problem; we don't need to multiply that problem.

As long as you are in the EU you shouldn't ban EU citizens from entering due to their political beliefs. You can do that after Brexit but until then an Austrian citizen should have the same rights as a British, "fascist" or not.

Well OK - if to abide by EU laws whilst we're still a member, but not if we don't have to.

[Leftbehind]

If "Allah" was replaced with "Jesus" that poster would be celebrated instead of condemned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/atheist-given-asbo-for-leaflets-mocking-jesus-1952985.html

Not that I agree with such a law.

[Leftbehind]

Do you have any cites for people in trouble for JUST mocking Jesus, because 2 of that guy's 3 posters he got in trouble for were making fun of Muslims.

No - it's rarely used, because it isn't about mocking Jesus/religion - but targeting religious people specifically with intent to offend through mockery. Also there were 4 posters: two Christian and 2 Islam.

[Leftbehind]

Do you have any cites for people in trouble for JUST mocking Jesus, because 2 of that guy's 3 posters he got in trouble for were making fun of Muslims.

No - it's rarely used, because it isn't about mocking Jesus/religion - but targeting religious people specifically with intent to offend through mockery. Also there were 4 posters: two Christian and 2 Islam.

So are certain Family Guy episodes banned in the UK?

A programme that is broadcast to millions indiscriminately isn't targeted at religious people. Don't misunderstand: satire can be broadcast mocking certain religions. If they don't like it they can switch channel. The law is written with harassment in mind - ie these people can't even go to places of worship/their own homes without escaping the mockery. 

[Leftbehind]

As long as you are in the EU you shouldn't ban EU citizens from entering due to their political beliefs. You can do that after Brexit but until then an Austrian citizen should have the same rights as a British, "fascist" or not.

Yes and if they pose a danger to the public good, the UK has a right to bar them from entry.

You couldn't do that to a British citizen, so you shouldn't do it to a citizen of another EU country.

We couldn't do it to a British citizen because we are ultimately responsible for our citizens and cannot render them stateless - not sure the comparison is appropriate.