UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread

[Leftbehind]

I hadn't realized so many constituencies had flipped from Labour to the Tories. Anything particular about these places?

very high leave vote

e.g. stoke on trent south

Ugh, that's worrying.

Six seats in total.

Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland was a marginal and always expected to go - perhaps Tory campaign ramped up there. Copeland was the main constituency where Jeremy's aversion for Trident is toxic.

Stoke on Trent South, Mansfield, Wallsall - could only be Brexit. Throughout their long history they've been foregone conclusions for Labour.

[Leftbehind]

"Democratic Unionist sources have told The Guardian that one possible sweetener fro the party from Theresa May and the Tories is the possible elevation of Peter Robinson to the House of Lords."

That's their sweetner?!

[Leftbehind]

Charts putting this election into context:-

https://imgur.com/a/Iz6oV

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDdBY5sKAU

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General question : the Beeb reported past G/E results by regions - did these regions consist of the same constituencies that make up the EU regions?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDdBY5sKAU

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General question : the Beeb reported past G/E results by regions - did these regions consist of the same constituencies that make up the EU regions?

Yes (with the exception of Gibraltar, which is in SW region for European election and is not represented in Westminster).

Awesome - that makes things easier.

[Leftbehind]

General question : the Beeb reported past G/E results by regions

Link please? I haven't been able to find it.

2010 (click on a region)
2005 (click the drop-down on the right)
2001 (click the dropdown in the middle)

[Leftbehind]

It seems the 2001 and prior results don't follow the EU regions - the 2001 results just have 'North' with Cumbria's results in with the North East. 2005 onwards follow EU regions and have that in with the North West.

[Leftbehind]

General question : the Beeb reported past G/E results by regions

Link please? I haven't been able to find it.

2010 (click on a region)
2005 (click the drop-down on the right)
2001 (click the dropdown in the middle)

No 2015?

Not from the Beeb, no. Like this year's, they've changed (for the worse) how they present the results. But you can find them from a parliamentary document (pdf at the bottom).

[Leftbehind]

Part of a series:

(North East)
http://imgur.com/a/zKBUJ

Would love to go back further to when these really start to become more meaningful (two-party state pre-74) but no handy resources available to hand and I'm not invested enough to pick through every constituency manually.

[Leftbehind]

None particularly high-profile.

North West

http://imgur.com/S91fpKv

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Where are you guys getting regional vote breakdowns for 2017 and 2015? I've been looking for them everywhere to no avail...

Anyone?

I'll post my spreadsheet once I'm done, that will give you 2015.

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Yorks. & Humber

https://imgur.com/a/fQIVt

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There are some papers this morning suggesting that Sinn Fein is actually considering taking their seats if Corbyn offers an Ireland unification referendum? Is there any merit to this or just the tabloids??

That'd be quite the departure of what they've been insisting these recent weeks.

I don't think many Brits would be particularly be bothered by such a poll, but it could risk enraging the unionists. Having said that, even another 7 seats would just mean a stronger opposition for Corbyn, so it's high-risk for not much benefit.

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This actually isn't very surprising: the trend with this question in the past is that supporters of the government tend to not want an election while supporters of the main opposition party do.  Considering that Labour are leading in the polls now...

Of course, but we haven't actually had a VI poll from YouGov (or anyone else besides Survation, for that matter). This lends weight to Survation's Lab 6-point lead.

[Leftbehind]

East Midlands:

https://imgur.com/a/Q2F4q

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Shame the last deprivation scale isn't interactive/more detailed.

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Thanks for that link, YL.

West Midlands:
https://imgur.com/a/xYSTt

[Leftbehind]

You're probably describing the run-away two most popular Tory MPs in the country, there.

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Eastern:

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The images aren't showing? Finally thought I'd found a way to embed them.

You may as well just go the album: https://imgur.com/a/JRrs0

[Leftbehind]

Is Corbyn the most leftist of Labour leader since WW2? or more?

Yes, probably. However him personally is not the same as his platform, which is only really to the left of the New Labour manifestos (it is certainly nowhere near as left as 1983, which is what Corbyn would prefer to enact).

[Leftbehind]

You third-wayites are amazing. Corbyn just achieved the highest gains for Labour since Clement F**king Attlee and turned around a 17-point deficit (which, let's face it, was at least partly caused by the infighting that YOU triggered because you couldn't accept him as a legitimate leader) into a near-tie, electing more MPs in the process than the party has had since the Blair years, and somehow you still manage to find things to complain about him and insist that he's unelectable even as Labour has taken a lead in the polls.

Look, I get that you don't like Corbyn very much and strongly disagree with his views, and I respect that. I myself am not a fan of his foreign policies (though his domestic policies are excellent). But stop pretending that your issue with him has anything to do with his objective quality as a leader, because that's blatant bullsh*t.

Thankfully most of the Blairite MPs seem to be on board - and they're not to be confused with the far more numerous, and agreeable, soft-left who were also part of the post-referendum revolt (the EU is something the hard-left and soft-left have profound disagreements over and the mistrust surfaced). The tiny minority who aren't are risking alienating themselves into irrelevance.

[Leftbehind]

Is Corbyn the most leftist of Labour leader since WW2? or more?

Yes, probably. However him personally is not the same as his platform, which is only really to the left of the New Labour manifestos (it is certainly nowhere near as left as 1983, which is what Corbyn would prefer to enact).

Michael Foot will probably be more left wing than Corbyn. Many of the pre-Margaret Thatcher leaders were broadly similar to Corbyn. Corbyn's manifesto apart from nationalization is a pretty tame left wing version & doesn't really represent his left wing economic policies adequately !

I don't think Foot was to the left of Corbyn. Corbyn is a staunch Bennite, and Foot while more favourable to that direction, was seen as a unifying figure between the two wings (although undoubtedly on the left).

But we're in agreement that Corbynism is significantly watered-down of his actual views, and really just a social democratic stepping-stone for wider support.

[Leftbehind]

Is Corbyn the most leftist of Labour leader since WW2? or more?

Yes, probably. However him personally is not the same as his platform, which is only really to the left of the New Labour manifestos (it is certainly nowhere near as left as 1983, which is what Corbyn would prefer to enact).

Michael Foot will probably be more left wing than Corbyn. Many of the pre-Margaret Thatcher leaders were broadly similar to Corbyn. Corbyn's manifesto apart from nationalization is a pretty tame left wing version & doesn't really represent his left wing economic policies adequately !

I don't think Foot was to the left of Corbyn. Corbyn is a staunch Bennite, and Foot while more favourable to that direction, was seen as a unifying figure between the two wings (although undoubtedly on the left).

But we're in agreement that Corbynism is significantly watered-down of his actual views, and really just a social democratic stepping-stone for wider support.

Harold Wilson maybe, but Foot? He was from the hardcore left wing faction of Labour & he was so left that the party split & Social Democrats sort of gained traction out of it ! Foot was very divisive in the party & was totally disliked by the moderate section, perhaps even more than Corbyn !

The party split because the wider party adopted Bennite policies wholesale as the agreed manifesto anyway, hence why the SDP wasn't formed upon Foot's election but after the policy platform was decided.