‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

The level of delusion right now is staggering.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/how_president_trump_just_won_reelection.html

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

The level of delusion right now is staggering.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/how_president_trump_just_won_reelection.html

Reading that just lost me 10 IQ points.

If I taught a class on critical thinking, I would assign this to my students as an exercise for spotting logical errors and fallacies.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Nobody knows, but if he really got 300,000 people to sign up for his Tulsa rally it's gargantuan. This weekend, thousands of people lined the piers of San Diego to celebrate his 74th birthday. The support out there for him is massive. But we've created so many echo chambers on the left that we don't understand why he is so popular.

Some liberals across the nation sign up for his rallies with no intention of going just to keep the seats empty.

And in any case rally size doesn't mean anything in terms of electoral results. Just ask Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders.

He has a cult base, sure, we know that. But there are no signs he's expanded it or that it will be enough for him.

Bernie's largest rally was around 25,000 IIRC. 300,000 is out of this world level.

There’s an enormous difference between entering your name on a website and actually attending a rally, Beet. I know at least some of those 300,000 are liberals screwing with the Trump campaign and many of the rest may have no intent of attending.

Good god it's a million now. Even if half a million liberals were just entering their names into his website to screw with him this is shaping up to be the biggest political rally in national history, if not world history. Trump's popularity is messianic. We need more Trump supporters here because most people here don't understand him or his people.

This is beyond weak, Beet. You need to up your concern-trolling game. You're better than this.

Trump's support has become so rural, so white, and so segregated from the rest of American society, their entire conception of the political mainstream is ridiculously skewed. They have their own religion (non-denominational "Bible churches"), their own news network, their own sports, their own music, and their own movies. They cover vast swaths of rural America, so you can drive literally for days and not leave Trump Country. Naturally they think they're the mainstream, when really they are the sad reactionaries getting left behind.

If Biden wins, it will be a complete shock to these people. They have no idea how most of this country thinks.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Nobody knows, but if he really got 300,000 people to sign up for his Tulsa rally it's gargantuan. This weekend, thousands of people lined the piers of San Diego to celebrate his 74th birthday. The support out there for him is massive. But we've created so many echo chambers on the left that we don't understand why he is so popular.

Some liberals across the nation sign up for his rallies with no intention of going just to keep the seats empty.

And in any case rally size doesn't mean anything in terms of electoral results. Just ask Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders.

He has a cult base, sure, we know that. But there are no signs he's expanded it or that it will be enough for him.

Bernie's largest rally was around 25,000 IIRC. 300,000 is out of this world level.

There’s an enormous difference between entering your name on a website and actually attending a rally, Beet. I know at least some of those 300,000 are liberals screwing with the Trump campaign and many of the rest may have no intent of attending.

Good god it's a million now. Even if half a million liberals were just entering their names into his website to screw with him this is shaping up to be the biggest political rally in national history, if not world history. Trump's popularity is messianic. We need more Trump supporters here because most people here don't understand him or his people.

This is beyond weak, Beet. You need to up your concern-trolling game. You're better than this.

Trump's support has become so rural, so white, and so segregated from the rest of American society, their entire conception of the political mainstream is ridiculously skewed. They have their own religion (non-denominational "Bible churches"), their own news network, their own sports, their own music, and their own movies. They cover vast swaths of rural America, so you can drive literally for days and not leave Trump Country. Naturally they think they're the mainstream, when really they are the sad reactionaries getting left behind.

If Biden wins, it will be a complete shock to these people. They have no idea how most of this country thinks.

Concern trolling? How is it concern trolling when Trump has already won the last election and is the POTUS? When he was first elected I remember a lot of people saying he wouldn't last until the midterms. Then Mueller was going to get him. It hasn't been him or his supporters who turned out wrong, it has been his critics. In 2016 I was one of the only posters here who said he would win.

Next it'll be, "Stop concern trolling Beet. The Reagan Revolution isn't going to damage the labor movement or the middle class. We here in West Germany find him detestable."

But what is the actual reality?

White people are the majority and in power (no matter who wins) and the electoral college favors rural areas over urban ones. The rural white Trump base is the mainstream, their conception of American society is American society because they are, and their religion is the American religion. Their news networks like OANN, sports, music, and movies are the hegemonic norm, and that's why you can drive for hundreds of miles and not leave it.

It's us, Atlas, The NY Times, NBC, who are out of the mainstream. It's we who are the reactionaries reacting to them. It's our job to understand them, and respect their reality. That's why we need more of them on here, and to give them a greater voice in our spaces. This is the absolute fact, and you can call me names, persecute me, or do whatever you want but no amount of lashing out can affect the truth.

Taking up more space doesn't make you the mainstream.

Let's put it this way: Trump won white men 62% to 31%. If only white men voted, Trump would have won by the biggest landslide in Presidential history. He won all white voters 57% to 37%. That would have been a bigger landslide than Reagan's re-election, and on par with Nixon in 1972. Take a look at the NYT precinct-level map of the 2016 election. There are vast stretches, even in blue states, where Hillary Clinton didn't even get 20% of the vote. A lot of stretches where she didn't even get 10%.

And yet Hillary Clinton won nearly three million more votes than Donald Trump nationally.

White men are literally 33 points to the right of the nation. Rural America is 60-some points to the right of the nation.

I spent a decade in Evangelical churches. I used to live in rural Wisconsin. I have seen rural, white America drift away from the mainstream, starting in the late-80s. The following beliefs are mainstream in Trump America, and laughable in the rest of the country:

The Bible in its original form is literally (or substantially) true.
Common descent of humans and non-human animals is "just a theory."
Global Warming is a myth concocted by scientists who hate capitalism
Academia hates America and our universities are teaching white children to hate themselves
Sexual orientation is a choice and can be "fixed"
Sex before marriage is morally wrong (and yet they do it anyway)
The father should have final authority over the nuclear family
People are poor because they don't work hard enough
English should be the nation's official language

These kinds of cultural views are marginal among the American population at large, but majority or predominant in Trump country. Not only are they completely out of touch, they don't even know they're completely out of touch. Even the moderates and liberals living among them think they are a radical minority.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Nobody knows, but if he really got 300,000 people to sign up for his Tulsa rally it's gargantuan. This weekend, thousands of people lined the piers of San Diego to celebrate his 74th birthday. The support out there for him is massive. But we've created so many echo chambers on the left that we don't understand why he is so popular.

Some liberals across the nation sign up for his rallies with no intention of going just to keep the seats empty.

And in any case rally size doesn't mean anything in terms of electoral results. Just ask Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders.

He has a cult base, sure, we know that. But there are no signs he's expanded it or that it will be enough for him.

Bernie's largest rally was around 25,000 IIRC. 300,000 is out of this world level.

There’s an enormous difference between entering your name on a website and actually attending a rally, Beet. I know at least some of those 300,000 are liberals screwing with the Trump campaign and many of the rest may have no intent of attending.

Good god it's a million now. Even if half a million liberals were just entering their names into his website to screw with him this is shaping up to be the biggest political rally in national history, if not world history. Trump's popularity is messianic. We need more Trump supporters here because most people here don't understand him or his people.

This is beyond weak, Beet. You need to up your concern-trolling game. You're better than this.

Trump's support has become so rural, so white, and so segregated from the rest of American society, their entire conception of the political mainstream is ridiculously skewed. They have their own religion (non-denominational "Bible churches"), their own news network, their own sports, their own music, and their own movies. They cover vast swaths of rural America, so you can drive literally for days and not leave Trump Country. Naturally they think they're the mainstream, when really they are the sad reactionaries getting left behind.

If Biden wins, it will be a complete shock to these people. They have no idea how most of this country thinks.

Concern trolling? How is it concern trolling when Trump has already won the last election and is the POTUS? When he was first elected I remember a lot of people saying he wouldn't last until the midterms. Then Mueller was going to get him. It hasn't been him or his supporters who turned out wrong, it has been his critics. In 2016 I was one of the only posters here who said he would win.

Next it'll be, "Stop concern trolling Beet. The Reagan Revolution isn't going to damage the labor movement or the middle class. We here in West Germany find him detestable."

But what is the actual reality?

White people are the majority and in power (no matter who wins) and the electoral college favors rural areas over urban ones. The rural white Trump base is the mainstream, their conception of American society is American society because they are, and their religion is the American religion. Their news networks like OANN, sports, music, and movies are the hegemonic norm, and that's why you can drive for hundreds of miles and not leave it.

It's us, Atlas, The NY Times, NBC, who are out of the mainstream. It's we who are the reactionaries reacting to them. It's our job to understand them, and respect their reality. That's why we need more of them on here, and to give them a greater voice in our spaces. This is the absolute fact, and you can call me names, persecute me, or do whatever you want but no amount of lashing out can affect the truth.

Taking up more space doesn't make you the mainstream.

Let's put it this way: Trump won white men 62% to 31%. If only white men voted, Trump would have won by the biggest landslide in Presidential history. He won all white voters 57% to 37%. That would have been a bigger landslide than Reagan's re-election, and on par with Nixon in 1972. Take a look at the NYT precinct-level map of the 2016 election. There are vast stretches, even in blue states, where Hillary Clinton didn't even get 20% of the vote. A lot of stretches where she didn't even get 10%.

And yet Hillary Clinton won nearly three million more votes than Donald Trump nationally.

White men are literally 33 points to the right of the nation. Rural America is 60-some points to the right of the nation.

You can literally do this with any demographic. By the same standard Black women are 88 points to the left of the nation.

Black women don't think they are representative of the nation at large. Residents of Trump country do. Most people with viewpoints out of the mainstream aren't under the delusion their views are representative of the country. Except in Trump Country.

I spent a decade in Evangelical churches. I used to live in rural Wisconsin. I have seen rural, white America drift away from the mainstream, starting in the late-80s. The following beliefs are mainstream in Trump America, and laughable in the rest of the country:

The Bible in its original form is literally (or substantially) true.
Common descent of humans and non-human animals is "just a theory."
Global Warming is a myth concocted by scientists who hate capitalism
Academia hates America and our universities are teaching white children to hate themselves
Sexual orientation is a choice and can be "fixed"
Sex before marriage is morally wrong (and yet they do it anyway)
The father should have final authority over the nuclear family
People are poor because they don't work hard enough
English should be the nation's official language

These kinds of cultural views are marginal among the American population at large coastal liberal bubbles, but majority or predominant in Trump country. Not only are they completely out of touch, they don't even know they're completely out of touch. Even the moderates and liberals living among them think they are a radical minority.

These all look like pretty standard and respectable conservative views. The one I would question the most is the global warming one. Anyway, just because someone has different views than you, it doesn't make them marginal.

This is mainstream America:

70% of Americans want stricter gun laws.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/cnn-poll-gun-control-support-climbs/index.html

61% of Americans think abortion should be legal in all or most cases.
https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

2/3 of Americans think the government is doing too little to combat climate change
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2019/11/25/u-s-public-views-on-climate-and-energy/

2/3 of Americans favor a $15 minimum wage.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/two-thirds-of-americans-favor-raising-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/

3/4 of Americans think the government should do more to ensure universal medical coverage.
https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

2/3 of Americans say it is very or somewhat important to establish a way for most immigrants in the country illegally to remain here legally.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/12/americans-immigration-policy-priorities-divisions-between-and-within-the-two-parties/

51% of Americans in a recent survey said they believed, flat out, that the President is a racist. Similar majorities to the ones above believe black people in America are not treated equally by the criminal justice system, and believe that police killings of unarmed black people are a result of systematic racism.

Democratic positions on almost all important policy points are the views of between 2/3 and 3/4 of the country. That other quarter to third, those who disagree, are pretty much the same people, and they spend very little time with people who don't think like they do. They occupy vastly more space, and are physically and socially isolated from the rest of the country.

Having lived in urban, suburban, and rural communities throughout my life, I can tell you what my experience is: people in urban America have a much better bead on what white rural America thinks than vice-versa.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

The Bible in its original form is literally (or substantially) true.
Common descent of humans and non-human animals is "just a theory."
Global Warming is a myth concocted by scientists who hate capitalism
Academia hates America and our universities are teaching white children to hate themselves
Sexual orientation is a choice and can be "fixed"
Sex before marriage is morally wrong (and yet they do it anyway)
The father should have final authority over the nuclear family
People are poor because they don't work hard enough
English should be the nation's official language

These all look like pretty standard and respectable conservative views. The one I would question the most is the global warming one. Anyway, just because someone has different views than you, it doesn't make them marginal.

These views are baffling to most of the United States (and with a few exceptions, the developed world). If you think these are mainstream, you really don't understand this country.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Nobody knows, but if he really got 300,000 people to sign up for his Tulsa rally it's gargantuan. This weekend, thousands of people lined the piers of San Diego to celebrate his 74th birthday. The support out there for him is massive. But we've created so many echo chambers on the left that we don't understand why he is so popular.

Some liberals across the nation sign up for his rallies with no intention of going just to keep the seats empty.

And in any case rally size doesn't mean anything in terms of electoral results. Just ask Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders.

He has a cult base, sure, we know that. But there are no signs he's expanded it or that it will be enough for him.

Bernie's largest rally was around 25,000 IIRC. 300,000 is out of this world level.

There’s an enormous difference between entering your name on a website and actually attending a rally, Beet. I know at least some of those 300,000 are liberals screwing with the Trump campaign and many of the rest may have no intent of attending.

Good god it's a million now. Even if half a million liberals were just entering their names into his website to screw with him this is shaping up to be the biggest political rally in national history, if not world history. Trump's popularity is messianic. We need more Trump supporters here because most people here don't understand him or his people.

You do understand that the arena only holds 19,000, right?

You do understand that a 38% approval rating is not indicative of being popular, right?

Beet is trolling, but some of his talking points are worth a rebuttal, lest casual viewers think these ideas go unchallenged.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Do I need to lock this thread for trolling?

I said my bit. I'm done.