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Beefalow and the Consumer
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Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« on: October 26, 2015, 06:34:43 AM »

The Republicans will nominate some guy.  The Democrats will nominate Bernie.  A third candidate will ramp up at the last minute at great expense.  Bernie Sanders will get a plurality.  The race is thrown to the House where...

Republicans win back the White House!! (With a Democratic VP)

You read it here first.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 11:43:01 AM »
« Edited: October 27, 2015, 11:44:35 AM by Beef »


I base this on three things:

1. No one the Republicans nominate will be electable.

2. While Bernie Sanders is electable, there will be enough of a center backlash against him and the GOP nominee to support a third-party ticket.  If it were someone with genuine name recognition and executive credentials, it would be enough to steal swing states.  I don't know if you could get Michiganders hyped up about a Bayh/O'Malley ticket, though.

3. The GOP Congressional caucus would elect Caligula President if he were the GOP nominee and the choice devolved to them.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 11:54:51 AM »

The VP prediction is based on the Democrats coming from behind in the Senate and picking up Wisconsin (my man Russ Feingold), Illinois (Tammy Duckworth), Ohio (Ted Strickland), and Pennsylvania (Not Pat Toomey DIE ALONE).  And I think the GOP nominee will have negative coattails in all four states.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 12:17:31 PM »

Something like this could happen:



Sanders (D): 235
Trump or whatever (R): 168
Bayh (I): 135
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 12:55:26 PM »

Okay, why is he being touted here as indie if he couldn't do much in 2008 campaign?

Doesn't have to be Evan Bayh.  A centrist ham sandwich will do.

There's nothing particularly special about him, but someone with executive, national, and centrist credibility, who could step in and hold his own in three-way debates between Trump and Bernie Sanders.

Hell, put me in a three-way debate against Trump and Sanders and I'd wipe the floor.

The reason Evan Bayh couldn't amount to anything in 2008 is because he couldn't excite the Democratic base.  In a general election against Trump and Sanders, while he wouldn't win, he'd stand a good chance of stealing a lot of EVs.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 10:25:05 PM »

Bayh wouldn't run, if there were to be an indie in Trump vs Sanders, it'd be Jon Huntsman. Still, I doubt it.

In Hoosierland there's talk of drafting him kicking and screaming into the race.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 07:22:15 AM »

I don't know if Bayh would run but he could be a good independent ticket with Jon Huntsman, for example. A moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican team up, I wonder if a GOP House would choose the third party ticket in case of a hung Electoral College! Cheesy

In the event of a Sanders plurality, the question would be "would there be enough principled Republicans who would cross aisles and vote with the Democrats for Sanders," and the answer would be "You're joking, right?"
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 01:14:00 PM »

Bayh is probably not the best choice.  But the premise is, this is 1980, except instead of Reagan it's an utterly offensive pustule who calls Mexicans rapist drug dealers, and instead of Carter you have a cantankerous old New Englander that everyone calls a "Socialist," and into that fray steps someone who can look presidential and provide enough of a relief that he/she can actually steal EVs.

As far as donor support: Let's say we're dealing with the prospect of a President Trump.  This is a Very Bad Thing for a lot of corporate America.  President Sanders is CLEARLY better, strange as that may sound.  If I'm CEO of anything other than a too-big-to-fail bank, I would rather have Bernie Sanders than Trump stumbling through our regulatory systems like a bull in a china shop.  But if polls show voters unable to hold their noses and vote for the "socialist," the smart thing to do would be to back the third-way ticket as a spoiler.  Even if they get 0 EVs, they will steal lots of Trump votes and throw the election to the much, much, MUCH safer Bernie Sanders.
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