Is having heterosexual feelings a choice?

[danwxman]

Did you wake up this morning and decide to be attracted to the opposite sex?

[danwxman]

Not as soon as I woke up.  I really don't think about sex until I get to school.  When I do, I don't have sexual feelings towards men.

But...did you make a concious choice to be attracted to the opposite sex in school?

[danwxman]

tough call.  but I can honestly say I did not make a conscious decision that lisa simpson is an authoritarian/leftist bitch.  It was always very clear to me that she is.  Not a choice, just some feeling that I was born with.  I think sexual orientation is very much the same way.  On the other hand, lack of creativity and copycat posting is very much a choice.  It's like the guys who invented that Tiger energy drink, or the guys who made the little fish with feet that says Darwin in the middle, or the guys who invented Pepsi.  They'd have been good ideas if they were original, but the fact that it was so obvious that they stole another's idea, and sold it as though it was original makes them posers and copiers and lackers of originality.  A more interesting question is:  do people who only take a slight twist on the original threads of others choose to be slackers, or are they born that way?

I think people that type in lower case are either starving for attention or just idiots, but that's another discussion.

This wasn't inteneded to be a copycat thread, rather I wanted to twist the topic around to those that think homosexuality is some kind of choice.

[danwxman]

jmfcst, you're getting your feelings mixed up. Greed is not the same as love...as a human being, you understand that, right? Love is above all else, the most natural feeling that one can have. When one feels love for another human being, it is not something that can be pushed inside and ignored. Trying to do that is sadly what causes so many gay suicides.

[danwxman]

jmfcst, you're getting your feelings mixed up. Greed is not the same as love...as a human being, you understand that, right? Love is above all else, the most natural feeling that one can have. When one feels love for another human being, it is not something that can be pushed inside and ignored. Trying to do that is sadly what causes so many gay suicides.

So, you're saying that "love" is an excuse?

So, it is ok for me to marry my daughter if we fall in "love"?

And it is ok for me to commit adultery with my neighbor if his wife and I fall in "love"?

And it is ok for me to steal because of my "love" for money?

Can I "love" both God and my dog's genitals at the same time?

Can I sow to the flesh and the Spirit at the same time, even though my flesh is the enemy of my soul?  Or, is the bible correct when it says, "The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life (Gal 6:"?

All irrelevant. Why do you compare two adult homosexuals to child rape? Not the same.

[danwxman]

All irrelevant. Why do you compare two adult homosexuals to child rape? Not the same.

Ok, let's say when my daughter turns 20.  Would it then be ok for us to fall in love?

The bible condemns men having sex with men and me having sex with my daughter....and it does both without mentioning "love" because there is no exemption, not even love, that would make it ok in the eyes of God.

The bible does not say, "unless you are in love, don't have sex with...", it simply says not to do it. 

BUT...BUT...BUT...where there are exemptions to the sexual guidelines, the bible does indeed mention them:

Lev 18:18 Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

Lev 18:19 Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

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But, there is no exemption in the following:

Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Which brings up a point.  If the bible does not mention homosexual intercourse, as the gay church says, but rather is talking about heterosexuals raping the same sex, then why does Lev 20:13 put both men to death?!

And, if the verse is not talking about either a rape or homosexual sex, then what would two heterosexual men be doing having sex with each other?!

I don't think you get it. The bible is irrelevant in this conversation. We are talking science.

[danwxman]

I don't think you get it. The bible is irrelevant in this conversation. We are talking science.

Sorry, I was using you to talk to angus since he is ignoring me.

My point to you is that I have MANY desires that I didn't choose to have;  they are simply part of my human nature.  But just because these desires happen naturally and are not by choice, that doesn't make it ok for me to attempt to satisfy those desires.   Agreed?

What is wrong with two adult consenting homosexuals satisfying their love for each other?

[danwxman]

What is wrong with two adult consenting homosexuals satisfying their love for each other?

Nothing, except we are all wandering off the point of your original question.  Since none of us have reached agreement on anything, let's at least address the simple point that you and the majority of the gay community make:  "I was born with these feeling and therefore their not my fault, rather they are perfectly natural; therefore, they are wholesome."

Now, I am perfectly willing to concede the issue that homosexual desires meet the following criteria:
1) the desires are innate.
2) the stress and temptation brought to bear by the desire are not chosen by the individual.

But, my problem is the conclusion that a desire meeting those criteria can't be immoral, for I can name many desires meeting those criteria which are universally viewed as immoral.

My point is that "I was born that way, so deal with it" is a red-herring and easily debunked.  It may be such a fine sounding argument that the elitists on ABC's Nightline grab onto it and devote entire programs to the idea, but it doesn't take any more than a simpleton like me to expose it as a house of cards.

That has never been debunked...millions of people just didn't decide to lie about themselves.

What is your point about it being "immoral"? Assuming you're not talking about that book, remember morality is subjective. What is immoral to one person is a way of life for another. My view is that it is not one's right to burden another with their morality.

My point about the "two consenting adults" is that you keep trying to compare homosexuality to beastality and child molestation. There is a huge difference between two adults who are of consenting age expressing their love for each other as millions of others do, and somebody who loves a child or an animal who CANNOT consent to the idea.