2004 Presidential Election and Beyond: The Giuliani Years (GAME THREAD)

[NHI]

OOC: As of right now I will not have internet access until Thursday. IDS Legislator Maxwell has my permission to post as Vice President Giuliani and respond to any situations that may arise. See you all on Thursday.

Sounds good. See you then.

[NHI]

Round XXVI: September 10-18

The General Election is heating up between Senator Biden and Vice President Giuliani. Senator Biden attacked the Vice President for his marital infidelities, which set off a firestorm inside the Giuliani Campaign and across the country. Much of the country remained indifferent or divided over Giuliani's past indiscretions. However, the Vice President did respond to the charge by Biden, taking to a prime time address, much in the same vein as Richard Nixon's Checkers Speech, where he accepted responsibility and shame and apologized for his wrongful act. Public opinion polls immediately after the speech showed a spike in approval for Giuliani.

The First Presidential Debate is scheduled for September 30th at the University of Miami. Up until this point only Vice President Giuliani and Senator Biden were scheduled to appear, but in a lawsuit by Congressman Kucinich against the Commission on Presidential Debates, on the basis: 15% polling average in arbitrarily selected national surveys that cannot be achieved without the same media exposure as the two major parties, meaning that all other parties are likely to be excluded without massive resources to counter the media blackout. The end goal is to change the policy for entrance into the debates to being determined by two criteria: 1) being eligible to be President under the Constitution and 2) being on enough state ballots to theoretically attain a majority in the Electoral College." The Court sided in favor of Kucinich and the Commission has reversed their previous stance and opened an invitation to Congressman Kucinich and Governor Johnson to participate in the Presidential Debates. This is a big win for the third party candidates, as this will be the first election since 1992 that a candidate from besides the two major parties will appear on the stage.

In the wake of the court's decision, the Commission on Presidential Debates has altered the format to this year's debates. Rather than three televised there will only be TWO. The first a traditional style, moderated by PBS' Jim Lehrer and a second town hall style debate, moderated by Charles Gibson.

A single Vice Presidential Debate is scheduled for October 5th and an invitation has been extended to all the candidates.

Another victory for the Kucinich campaign is achieving ballot access through a write-in status in the following states: Ohio, New York, Texas, Georgia, Virginia, Missouri and Tennessee.


Presidential Debates:

September 30th: Presidential Debate (University of Miami)
Moderator: Jim Lehrer
Traditional Style Debate (Foreign and Domestic Policy)
Participants: Vice President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY), Senator Joe Biden (D-DE), Congressman Dennis (G-OH) Kucinich and Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)

October 5th: Vice Presidential Debate (Case Western Reserve University)
Moderator: Gwen Ifill
Traditional Style Debate
Participants: Senator Kay Hutchison (R-TX), Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Congressman Bernie Sanders (G-VT), Governor Jesse Ventura (L-MN)

October 8th: Presidential Debate (Washington University)
Moderator: Charles Gibson
Town Hall Style Debate
Participants: Vice President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY), Senator Joe Biden (D-DE), Congressman Dennis Kucinich (G-OH) and Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 223

(D) Joe Biden: 197

Tossup: 118

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Gallup Polling: Giuliani +4

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 43%

(D) Joe Biden: 39%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 4%

This Round will Close: July 6th at 11:59 PM EST
If you would like polling for any particular states please let me know and I'll get them up!
Great job everyone!  --- NHI

[NHI]

OOC: What are the topics of the debates?

Debate 1: Foreign and Domestic Policy
VP Debate: Foreign and Domestic Policy
Debate 2: Q/A

[NHI]

Also, NHI, I assume that my write-in petitions got through, right?

Yes, sorry. Meant to include it.

Ohio
New York
Texas
Georgia
Virginia
Missouri
Tennessee

[NHI]

State polls:

CO: R: 47% D: 40% L: 6% G: 3% (Lean Giuliani)

CT: D: 46% R: 43% G: 4% L: 3% (Tossup)

FL: R: 46% D: 45% L: 4% G: 3% (Tossup)

HI: D: 49% R: 39% G: 8% L: 3% (Lean Biden)

IL: D: 46% R: 42% L: 4% G: 3% (Lean Biden)

ME: R: 44% D: 43% L: 5% G: 4% (Tossup)

MI: D: 44% R: 40% L: 5% G: 4% (Lean Biden)

MN: D: 37%: R: 37% L: 14% G: 7% (Tossup)

MO: R: 45% D: 40% L: 4% G: 3% (Lean Biden)

MT: R: 42% D: 40% L: 10% G: 4% (Tossup)

NV: R: 40% D: 36% L: 9% G: 6% (Tossup)

NH: R: 45% D: 37% L: 10% G: 4% (Lean Giuliani)
  
NJ:  D: 45% R: 39% G: 5% L: 4% (Lean Biden)

NM: D: 35% R: 34% L: 18% G: 5% (Tossup)

NY:  R: 44% D: 43% L: 4%  G: 4% (Tossup)

NC:  R: 48% R: 44% L: 5%  G: 3% (Lean Giuliani)

OH:  D: 40% R: 39% L: 6%  G: 5% (Tossup)

OR:  D: 40% R: 33% L: 9%  G: 7% (Lean Biden)

PA:  D: 45% R: 41% L: 6%  G: 4% (Lean Biden)

VA:  R: 46% D: 39% L: 6%  G: 3% (Lean Giuliani)

WV: R: 45% D: 40% L: 4%  G: 2% (Lean Giuliani)

WI:  R: 44% D: 43% L: 5%  G: 3% (Tossup)

[NHI]

OOC: Not to be incredulous, but Hawaii? I have us widening our lead from 4 to 14 points in one turn. I mean...I'm not complaining. LoL

Can I get Alaska, Arizona, and Arkansas as well?

Oops! Caught this mistake: supposed to be: 49-39

[NHI]

State Polling:

Alaska: R: 43% D: 34% L: 17% G: 4%  (Lean Giuliani)

Arizona: R: 48% D: 41% L: 9% (Lean Giuliani)

Arkansas: R: 49% D: 43% L: 2.5% G: 1% (Lean Giuliani)

[NHI]

General Election Polling:

Registered Voters: September 2004

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 43%

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(L) Gary Johnson: 6%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 4%

Likely Voters: September 2004

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 44%

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Voter Enthusiasm: September 2004

Very Excited: 59%

Somewhat Excited: 26%

Not Excited: 14%

President George W. Bush Approval Rating: September 2004

Approve: 44%
Disapprove: 46%
No Opinion/Undecided: 10%

[NHI]

Reminder This Round will close at July 6 at 11:59 PM EST

[NHI]

Requesting an extension due to time constraints with my work and school, sorry

That's fine. It's a holiday weekend anyway. How about until July 7th at 11:59 PM EST?

[NHI]

This round has been extended to July 7 at 11:59 PM EST

[NHI]

Round XXVII: September 19-27

The First Presidential Debate scheduled for September 30th at the University of Miami is twelve days away. All four major candidates are expected to attend. The General Election has seen the campaign heating up between all the candidates. Senator and VP Nominee Kay Bailey Hutchison took to the stump attacking Joe Biden for his recent comments on Rudy Giuliani's past indiscretions. Even Congressman Kucinch expressed disappointment in Biden's attack. Speaking of the Ohio Congressman, his poll numbers have been steadily rising and he currently leads in the state of Vermont, the home state of his running mate Bernie Sanders.

On the stump Gary Johnson has been appearing more and more enthused and passionate, telling his supporters at a recent rally, “Lets prove that it’s the American People that decide this race, not big money! We need someone who will work for the American people! No more establishment career politicians and lobbyists! We don’t need someone who owes political favors! We need leadership, and someone that will fight for your rights!” Johnson's poll numbers are also on the uptick, which bodes well for his campaign ahead of the first debate.

Joe Biden has drawn new contrasts with Giuliani, playing up the economy and pitching an economic populist message, focusing on the minimum wage and pocketbook issues. Biden seems to be focusing in the key battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, while also playing to Arizona, Nevada, Montana and North Carolina, not typically Democratic friendly states. In contrast to Giuliani who is still running on his fifty state strategy, it appears the Democrat's best option to play defensive in the Gore states and offense in the battlegrounds and Republican states from Bush.

Rudy Giuliani has been targeting much of the midwest, as well as the pivotal battleground state of Florida. Giuliani is also running ads across the country, focusing on many of the key states including Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin and New York. Giuliani continues to play up the important themes of security, while touting his plans for the economy. Some pundits still give Giuliani the advantage in the election, but Biden continues to play a strong efforts, which making many to call this election a pure tossup!

Polls show an increasingly tight race between Giuliani and Biden, recent polls give Giuliani on average at best a one to two point lead over Biden. This year unlike many past elections the debates are shaping up to be a critical turning point for the campaign!

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 223

(D) Joe Biden: 197

Tossup: 118

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Gallup Polling: Giuliani +2

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 42%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Presidential Debates:

September 30th: Presidential Debate (University of Miami)
Moderator: Jim Lehrer
Traditional Style Debate (Foreign and Domestic Policy)
Participants: Vice President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY), Senator Joe Biden (D-DE), Congressman Dennis (G-OH) Kucinich and Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)

October 5th: Vice Presidential Debate (Case Western Reserve University)
Moderator: Gwen Ifill
Traditional Style Debate
Participants: Senator Kay Hutchison (R-TX), Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Congressman Bernie Sanders (G-VT), Governor Jesse Ventura (L-MN)

October 8th: Presidential Debate (Washington University)
Moderator: Charles Gibson
Town Hall Style Debate
Participants: Vice President Rudy Giuliani (R-NY), Senator Joe Biden (D-DE), Congressman Dennis Kucinich (G-OH) and Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM)

This Round will Close: July 12th at 11:59 PM EST

If you would like polling for any particular states please let me know and I'll get them up!
Great job everyone!  --- NHI

[NHI]

Montana: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 42%

Joe Biden: 39%

Gary Johnson: 11%
Dennis Kucinich: 4%

Minnesota: Tossup

Joe Biden: 37%

Rudy Giuliani: 35%

Gary Johnson: 15%
Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Wisconsin: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 43%

Joe Biden: 41%

Dennis Kucinich: 6%
Gary Johnson: 5%

New York: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 48%

Joe Biden: 46%

Gary Johnson: 5%

Dennis Kucinich: 4%

New Hampshire: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 47%

Joe Biden: 43%

Gary Johnson: 7%

New Mexico: Tossup

Joe Biden: 35%

Rudy Giuliani: 35%

Gary Johnson: 20%
Dennis Kucinich: 6%

Arizona: Solid Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 46%

Joe Biden: 39%

Gary Johnson: 10%

Nevada: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 41%

Joe Biden: 40%

Gary Johnson: 9%
Dennis Kucinich: 4%

North Dakota: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 47%

Joe Biden: 40%

Gary Johnson: 11%

South Dakota: Solid Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 51%

Joe Biden: 37%

Gary Johnson: 8%

Colorado: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 43%

Joe Biden: 39%

Gary Johnson: 10%

Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Ohio: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 40%

Joe Biden: 40%

Gary Johnson: 7%
Dennis Kucinich: 6%

Vermont: Tossup

Joe Biden: 32%

Dennis Kucinich: 32%

Rudy Giuliani: 22%

Gary Johnson: 10%

Rhode Island: Lean Biden

Joe Biden: 50%

Rudy Giuliani: 35%

Dennis Kucinich: 9%
Gary Johnson: 3%

Massachusetts: Solid Biden

Joe Biden: 53%

Rudy Giuliani: 35%

Dennis Kucinich: 6%
Gary Johnson: 3%

Alaska: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 41%

Joe Biden: 32%

Gary Johnson: 16%
Gary Johnson: 7%

Hawaii: Lean Biden

Joe Biden: 45%

Rudy Giuliani: 41%

Gary Johnson: 6%
Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Arkansas: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 48%

Joe Biden: 43%

Gary Johnson: 4%
Dennis Kucinich: 2.5%

Connecticut: Lean Biden

Joe Biden: 44%

Rudy Giuliani: 40%

Dennis Kucinich: 6%
Gary Johnson: 5%

Florida: Tossup

Rudy Giuliani: 45%

Joe Biden: 44%

Gary Johnson: 5%

Dennis Kucinich: 4%

Illinois: Solid Biden

Joe Biden: 48%

Rudy Giuliani: 40%

Gary Johnson: 4%
Dennis Kucinich: 4%

Maine: Tossup

Joe Biden: 39%

Rudy Giuliani: 39%

Dennis Kucinich: 9%

Gary Johnson: 8%

[NHI]

OOC: NHI, do you mind doing the following states from my list?

Missouri, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Yes, I had the polls on separate word docs, but the other one was deleted (had the rest of the states)...I will have it up tonight.
Sorry for the delay.

[NHI]

Missouri: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 44%

Joe Biden: 40%

Gary Johnson: 5%
Dennis Kucinich: 5%

North Carolina: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 47%

Joe Biden: 41%

Gary Johnson: 7%

Pennsylvania: Lean Biden

Joe Biden: 45%

Rudy Giuliani: 40%

Gary Johnson: 6%
Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Virgina: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 47%

Joe Biden: 44%

Gary Johnson: 6%

West Virginia: Lean Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: 49%

Joe Biden: 44%

Gary Johnson: 5%

[NHI]

I will be out of town until tonight, so I will delay this close until tomorrow night:

Sunday July 13 at 11:59 PM EST

[NHI]

Round XVIII: September 28-October 2nd

The Presidential Debates are set to be a historic set. Including the Republican and Democratic candidates, the debate will feature both the Libertarian Party Nominee and the Green Party Nominee. This is the first time since 1992 that a debate has included more than the two traditional party candidates. Heading into the debate Rudy Giuliani and Joe Biden are running neck and neck in the polls, and most pundits see the debate as an opportunity for either to outshine the other, and to of course suffer no damage. As for the third party candidates, this will be an opportunity for them to introduce themselves to a larger audience and draw major contrasts with the two major candidates, Senator Biden and Vice President Giuliani.

Gallup Tracking Poll: (September 28, 2004)

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 41%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7.5%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 6%

1st of 2 Presidential Debate, from The University of Miami
Moderated by Jim Lehrer

Good evening from the University of Miami Convocation Center in Coral Gables, Florida. I'm Jim Lehrer of "The NewsHour" on PBS.

And I welcome you to the first of two 2004 presidential debates between Vice President Rudy Giuliani, the Republican nominee, Senator Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee, Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Nominee and Congressman Dennis Kucinich the Green Party Nominee.

These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement worked out by representatives of the candidates. I have agreed to enforce their rules on them.

The umbrella topic is foreign and domestic policy, but the specific subjects were chosen by me, the questions were composed by me, the candidates have not been told what they are, nor has anyone else.

For each question there can only be a two-minute response, a 90- second rebuttal and, at my discretion, a discussion extension of one minute.

A green light will come on when 30 seconds remain in any given answer, yellow at 15, red at five seconds, and then flashing red means time's up. There is also a backup buzzer system if needed.

Candidates may not direct a question to each other. There will be two-minute closing statements, but no opening statements.

There is an audience here in the hall, but they will remain absolutely silent for the next 90 minutes, except for now, when they join me in welcoming Vice President Giuliani, Senator Biden, Governor Johnson and Congressman Kucinich.

Vice President Giuliani, you've cited your experience as Mayor and now as Vice Presidents makes you best prepared to deal with the ongoing war on terror, Do you believe the election of Senator Biden on November the 2nd would increase the chances of the U.S. being hit by another 9/11-type terrorist attack?

Senator Biden, can you give us specifics — in terms of a scenario, timelines, et cetera — for ending U.S. — major U.S. military involvement in Iraq?

Congressman Kucinich, The gap between rich and poor is growing wider. More people are dropping into poverty. Yet the minimum wage has been stuck at, what, $5.15 an hour now for about seven years. Is it time to raise it?

Governor Johnson, at least 8,000 people cross our borders illegally every day. Some people believe this is a security issue, as you know. Some believe it's an economic issue. Some see it as a human rights issue. How do you see it? And what we need to do about it?

To All the Candidates What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war?

To all the Candidates How does America address the growing budget deficit and what can be cut, what can be spared and do taxes need to go up?

To All the Candidates What are the major differences between the four of you, and why you believe you would be the better President?

All right gentlemen, that brings us to closing statements.

This Round will Close on Saturday July 19th at 11:59 PM EST

[NHI]

OOC: NHI, do we have a word limit for our debate responses?

I will leave that up for you and the candidates to decide. I'm okay without having one.

[NHI]

OOC: I assume we're waiting for MadmanMotley before we post closing statements? Makes sense to me

Yes, that's fine.

[NHI]

Round XXIX: October 3rd-7th

Quite a historic debate between the four presidential candidates. Vice President Giuliani and Senator Biden tried to stick largely with debating each other, while drawing their contrasts. However, this proved to be a debate for the third party candidates. In their first real introduction to the American people both Governor Johnson and Congressman Kucinich proved they are forces to be reckon with in this election and will not be silenced.

Both men drew stark contrasts with the Democrat and Republican candidates, repeating a recurring theme that it is time for a change from the three party system. Joe Biden stressed his upbringing and drew on his increasingly populist campaign message, while Rudy Giuliani continued to beat the drum of experience and his credentials in keeping America safe. Polls conducted after the debate have show voters to be generally undecided, a slight edge to Giuliani, but not enough to seal the deal, while both Johnson and Kucinich benefited from the debate and will be sure to look forward to upcoming and final one on October 8th.

The most recent Gallup poll shows a statistical tie between Giuliani and Biden and both Johnson and Kucinich increasing their clout. This is the first poll to have both Giuliani and Biden below 40 percent.

Who Won the First Presidential Debate?

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 21%

(D) Joe Biden: 19%

(L) Gary Johnson: 15%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 14%

Four-Way Tie: 17%
Undecided: 14%

Gallup Tracking Poll: (September 29, 2004)

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 37%

(D) Joe Biden: 37%

(L) Gary Johnson: 11%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

Upcoming on October 5th is the Vice Presidential Debate, between the Republican, Democrat, Libertarian and Green Party candidates.

Vice Presidential Debate, from Case Western Reserve University
Moderated by: Gwen Ifill

Good evening from Case Western Reserve University, here in Cleveland, Ohio. ation Center in I'm Gwen Ifill of PBS.

And I welcome you to the first and 2004 Vice Presidential debates between Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Republican nominee, Senator Blanche Lincoln, the Democratic nominee, Governor Jesse Ventura, the Libertarian Nominee and Congressman Bernie Sanders the Green Party Nominee.

These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement worked out by representatives of the candidates. I have agreed to enforce their rules on them.

The umbrella topic is foreign and domestic policy, but the specific subjects were chosen by me, the questions were composed by me, the candidates have not been told what they are, nor has anyone else.

For each question there can only be a two-minute response, a 90- second rebuttal and, at my discretion, a discussion extension of one minute.

A green light will come on when 30 seconds remain in any given answer, yellow at 15, red at five seconds, and then flashing red means time's up. There is also a backup buzzer system if needed.

Candidates may not direct a question to each other. There will be two-minute closing statements, but no opening statements.

There is an audience here in the hall, but they will remain absolutely silent for the next 90 minutes, except for now, when they join me in welcoming Senator Hutchison, Senator Lincoln, Governor Ventura and Congressman Kucinich.

To All The Candidates, Without mentioning them by name at all, explain to us why you are different from your opponent.

To All The Candidates, Massachusetts has taken a big step in legalizing gay marriage, what is your position on the matter and should the matter of unions be left to the state?

Congressman Sanders, You have identified yourself as a socialist, would you explain what you explain what that affiliation means to reassure some skeptical American electorate.

Governor Ventura, the Census Bureau ranked Cleveland as the biggest poor city in the country, 31 percent jobless rate. What can you tell the people of Cleveland, or people of cities like Cleveland, that your administration will do to better their lives?

Senator Lincoln, You and Senator Biden have been critical of the decision to go into Iraq, and argued that you wouldn't have made the decision to go in. Does that mean if Senator Biden were President and you Vice President, Saddam Hussien would still be in power?

Senator Hutchison, Former Vice President received some criticism for his handling the role of Vice President, how do you see yourself serving as Vice President with President Giuliani, assuming you two are elected in November?


All right ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to closing statements.

This Round will Close on Friday July 25th at 11:59 PM EST

[NHI]

Alaska: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 38%

(D) Joe Biden: 30%

(L) Gary Johnson: 19%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Arizona: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 45%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 13%

Oregon: Lean Biden

(D) Joe Biden: 41%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 33%

(L) Gary Johnson: 13%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

Nevada: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 40%

(D) Joe Biden: 37%

(L) Gary Johnson: 11%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

New Mexico: Tossup

(D) Joe Biden: 33%

(L) Gary Johnson: 26%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 24%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Colorado: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 40%

(D) Joe Biden: 33%

(L) Gary Johnson: 16%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Minnesota: Tossup

(D) Joe Biden: 33%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 32%

(L) Gary Johnson: 23%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

Iowa: Lean Biden

(D) Joe Biden: 41%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 36%

(L) Gary Johnson: 10%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Missouri: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 42%

(D) Joe Biden: 38%

(L) Gary Johnson: 8%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 6%

Arkansas: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 45%

(D) Joe Biden: 41%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 3%

Wisconsin: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 42%

(D) Joe Biden: 41%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

(L) Gary Johnson: 6%

Ohio: Tossup

(D) Joe Biden: 39%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 39%

(L) Gary Johnson: 8%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Virginia: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 47%

(D) Joe Biden: 43%

(L) Gary Johnson: 8%

North Carolina: Lean Giuliani

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 48%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%

Pennsylvania: Lean Biden

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 36%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%
(L) Gary Johnson: 8%

New York: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 46%

(D) Joe Biden: 45%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 4%
(L) Gary Johnson: 3%

Vermont: Tossup

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 32%

(D) Joe Biden: 30%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 24%

(L) Gary Johnson: 11%

Florida: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 44%

(D) Joe Biden: 44%

(L) Gary Johnson: 6%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 5%

New Hampshire: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 38%

(D) Joe Biden: 36%

(L) Gary Johnson: 15%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 7%

Maine: Tossup

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 39%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%

[NHI]

Electoral Map as of October 3, 2004:

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 210

(D) Joe Biden: 173

Tossup: 155

NBC/Wall St. Journal Poll: October 2004

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 40%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 10%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 8%

Two-Man Race: Poll October 2004

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 47%

(D) Joe Biden: 46%

[NHI]

North Dakota: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 46%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 13%

South Dakota: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 48%

(D) Joe Biden: 40%

(L) Gary Johnson: 10%

Montana: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 40%

(D) Joe Biden: 39%

(L) Gary Johnson: 15%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 5%

Indiana: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 45%

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 4%

Kentucky: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 48%

(D) Joe Biden: 44%

(L) Gary Johnson: 7%

Georgia: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 46%

(D) Joe Biden: 39%

(L) Gary Johnson: 9%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 3.5%

Connecticut: Tossup

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 42%

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%
(L) Gary Johnson: 4%

Michigan: Tossup

(D) Joe Biden: 42%

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 41%

(L) Gary Johnson: 9%
(G) Dennis Kucinich: 6%

[NHI]

I do not see Sanders' responses. I will give it it to the end of tonight, if everyone is agreeable?

[NHI]

Round XXX: October 8th-15th

Another historic debate between the four vice-presidential candidates. Senator Hutchison, Senator Lincoln, Former Governor Ventura and Congressman Sanders. Much like their Presidential counterparts the Republicans and Democrats largely stuck to attacking each other and remaining on talking points. No gaffes were made and both candidates came across positively in the minds of voters.

Both Governor Ventura and Congressman Sanders were to the outliers in the debate, attacking Senator Lincoln and Hutchison, not necessarily by name, but by pointing the differences between the two party system and it has largely contributed to the problems America is facing. Governor Ventura was seen largely as a winner, as was Congressman Sanders when they both talked about being independents and opposing the Iraq War. Though when most respondents felt Ventura was the strongest of the third party candidates, and many responded positively to his blunt honesty and proven experience.

Both Lincoln and Hutchison's performances were steady and solid, but did not alter the race between Giuliani and Biden. Ventura is seen as largely helping Johnson, who has seen his poll numbers continue to rise.

Public opinion polls largely found the debate a dead-heat between the four candidates, certainly with Lincoln and Hutchison receiving praise for being the first female candidates to appear on a debate state since Geraldine Ferraro, twenty years ago. A lot of pressure is now on the four major candidates as they take to the stage in the final debate on Friday at Washington University.

Who Won the Vice Presidential Debate?

(R) Kay Bailey Hutchison 20%

(D) Blanche Lincoln: 19%

(L) Jesse Ventura: 17%

(G) Bernie Sanders: 14%

Four-Way Tie: 14%
Undecided: 15%

Gallup Tracking Poll: (October 8, 2004)

(R) Rudy Giuliani: 37%

(D) Joe Biden: 37%

(L) Gary Johnson: 13%

(G) Dennis Kucinich: 9%

Final Presidential Debate, Washington University (Town Hall Style)
Moderated by: Charles Gibson

Good evening from the campus of Washington University. I'm Charles Gibson of ABC and welcome to the second and final Presidential Debate between the four major candidates for President of the United States. Vice President Rudy Giuliani, the Republican nominee, Senator Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee, Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Nominee and Congressman Dennis Kucinich the Green Party Nominee.

These debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Tonight's will last 90 minutes, following detailed rules of engagement worked out by representatives of the candidates. I have agreed to enforce their rules on them.

The Gallup organization chose 82 uncommitted voters from the New York area. Their questions will drive the night. My goal is to give the conversation direction and to ensure questions get answered.

The questions are known to me and my team only. Neither the commission, nor the candidates have seen them. I hope to get to as many questions as possible.

Each candidate has as much as two minutes to respond to a common question, and there will be a two-minute follow-up. The audience here in the hall has agreed to be polite and attentive -- no cheering or booing or outbursts of any sort.

We will set aside that agreement just this once to welcome Vice President Rudy Giuliani, Senator Joe Biden, Governor Gary Johnson and Congressman Kucinich.

Question 1: Governor Ventura, if you are elected President you will be the first candidate since George Washington to not be either a Democrat or Republican, how will you be able to make Washington work since you have no connection to either party?

Question 2: Vice President Giuliani, was the war in Iraq a smart decision in hindsight, and would you as President want continue it?

Question 3: Senator Biden, how do you make college affordable given the increased costs of tuition?

Question 4: Congressman Kucinich, is it possible for jobs that have gone overseas to be brought back or are gone the day of made in America?

Question 5: Vice President Giuliani, do you support a continuation of the PATRIOT Act and do you believe it goes far enough?

Question 6: Governor Johnson and Congressman Kucinich: How do either one of you plan to win the election without throwing it into the House of Representatives?

Question 7: Senator Biden, I pay roughly 45% in income taxes, should my taxes go up on go up in order to pay for the programs you are proposing?

Question 8: To all the candidates: Name one thing you like about each other one thing you dislike about each other?

Question 9: To all the candidates: What is the biggest threat facing America today, outside of terrorism?

Closing Statements:

This Round will Close on Friday August 1st at 11:59 PM EST