Has Fox news declared its bias with the 2004 polls? Should we discount them

[ATFFL]

The FOX/Opinion Dynamics polls do not push leaners at all.  In one sense, this is good because leaners have not made up their mind, that is why they are leaners.  On the other hand, not pushing leaners at all will generally skew results toward the right.  This is also why they hve teh highest percent of undecideds.

I still say the best way to run a poll is to push leaners and have seperate results with leaners and without and give a breakdown of how leaners break.

[ATFFL]

First, the pollster is Opinion Dynamics.  Fox does not run any scientific polls.  Fact's, they're a good thing.

Second, OD was one of the better pollsters in 2000.

Third, I would never wager on any poll from June to be accurate in November.  Anyone who would is an idiot.

Fourth, look at the other polls around the time of the FOX/OD polls.  Survey USA had Bush up 7 in FL,  a Detroit News/Mitchell research poll had Bush up 1 in MI a week later.  Other polls in PA had Kerry +1, so the polls were within the MOE of each other.   Unfortunately no other reputable firm had a poll in OH at the same time.

The results are a bit slanted toward Bush, but all are within the MOE, with the possible exception of FL, which was likely an outlier.

Learn how to properly read polls and compare them to each other.  Then you can pass judgement on which polls are good and which are bad.

[ATFFL]

the LA TIMES is a left wing polling group. but there polls dont have kerry winning in Missouri or in Wisconsin.

FOX HAS BUSH UP BY 9% IN FLORIDA

EVERY FOX POLL HAS BUSH WINNING. and the polls were all taken in major wing states. not one organisation has bush or kerry winning in Penn, Ohio or Flor. BUT fox has the bonus of also Michigan.

Outrageous.

That is not hard, since no other major firm has recently released polls for all 4 states.  

Do you know what an outlier is?  I am guessing not.  About 1 in 20 polls will be ourside the MoE.  No matter how good the company is they will just plain be wrong 5% of the time.  Gallup, Mason Dixon and every great firm suffers from this.

Now, considering every other poll is in the MOE of other major polls, except for the FL one (which is in the MOE of one other poll) what is more likely:

A- Florida is an outlier.
B- OD is a horrid polling firm.