WaPo: Russian amb. told Moscow that Jared wanted secret communications w Kremlin

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I'm increasingly convinced that Kushner needs to go (even to jail). He's been toxic in the White House and it's clear that his financial ties to Russia are sketchy. He probably couldn't get much out of the old man, so he went to Russians for foreign funding of his enterprises and in return connected Russian intelligence services to elements of the campaign. That is my current theory, based on what we actually know (of course, a lot of this is "anonymous sources").

The only way he'll be removed is if he goes to jail. It'll be worth it, assuming Trump's alleged cover-up to protect his son-in-law didn't occur. If Kushner is guilty, it is likely that the President might have actually covered it up to protect his son.

I'll be damned if any actual collusion outside of Kushner assigning contacts is ever proven. And no votes were hacked, as we pretty much all agree. The obstruction of justice stuff is where the most smoke is coming from as of late.

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Sanchez, I feel if Jared did something illegal his father in law would cover up for him, honestly. He can't cut family loose. Also the President will never cut the family from the White House because frankly that's who he relies on to run the White House.

I don't see how you can get rid of Jared Kushner without getting rid of Donald Trump. The guy is literally the father of the President's grandchildren.

I don't know, Trump clearly adores Ivanka and I think anyone who jeopardizes her or her children (including her own husband) is bound to feel his wrath. Son-in-laws aren't always the most popular people with devoted fathers of daughters.

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Sanchez, I feel if Jared did something illegal his father in law would cover up for him, honestly. He can't cut family loose. Also the President will never cut the family from the White House because frankly that's who he relies on to run the White House.

I agree on obstruction of justice but in the first place we should examine why they went to great lengths to obstruct justice.

I don't see how you can get rid of Jared Kushner without getting rid of Donald Trump. The guy is literally the father of the President's grandchildren.

Sadly true. If he is convicted of anything while Trump is in office he will be pardoned in less than 24 hours.

Oh he'll walk out of the court like Scooter Libby with the pardon in hand. That isn't impossible, but I agree with TD. A pardon is an admission of guilt, and if Kushner endangers the Trump clan, he might be left dangling in the wind. Trump isn't known for being loyal to his aides, as Chris Christie can attest to. I don't view that as a flaw of course (flexibility is fine, as Obama noted to Medvedev) but it is what it is.

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Sanchez, I feel if Jared did something illegal his father in law would cover up for him, honestly. He can't cut family loose. Also the President will never cut the family from the White House because frankly that's who he relies on to run the White House.

I don't see how you can get rid of Jared Kushner without getting rid of Donald Trump. The guy is literally the father of the President's grandchildren.

I don't know, Trump clearly adores Ivanka and I think anyone who jeopardizes her or her children (including her own husband) is bound to feel his wrath. Son-in-laws aren't always the most popular people with devoted fathers of daughters.

This is true generally, but this is Jared Kushner were talking about. It's because he's ivanka's husband and obviously much closer to Trump then 90-plus percent of son in laws that this is absolutely a president Trump decision comma or bare bare minimum will be instantaneously pardoned

But is he though? I feel that Kushner's role (and much of his business ventures) are basically pushed by Ivanka. For all we know, Trump might view him as a joke. Or maybe the narrative that Kushner is 100% in the President's trust is true. I don't know. I've only met Trump once, I won't pretend to understand their family dynamic.

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Sanchez, I feel if Jared did something illegal his father in law would cover up for him, honestly. He can't cut family loose. Also the President will never cut the family from the White House because frankly that's who he relies on to run the White House.

I don't see how you can get rid of Jared Kushner without getting rid of Donald Trump. The guy is literally the father of the President's grandchildren.

I don't know, Trump clearly adores Ivanka and I think anyone who jeopardizes her or her children (including her own husband) is bound to feel his wrath. Son-in-laws aren't always the most popular people with devoted fathers of daughters.

This is true generally, but this is Jared Kushner were talking about. It's because he's ivanka's husband and obviously much closer to Trump then 90-plus percent of son in laws that this is absolutely a president Trump decision comma or bare bare minimum will be instantaneously pardoned

But is he though? I feel that Kushner's role (and much of his business ventures) are basically pushed by Ivanka. For all we know, Trump might view him as a joke. Or maybe the narrative that Kushner is 100% in the President's trust is true. I don't know. I've only met Trump once, I won't pretend to understand their family dynamic.

Have you seen the list of responsibilities Kushner has in the White House?   He's arguably the third most powerful person in the whole administration.

In Trump views him as a joke than he sure does put a lot of faith in that joke.  Kushner is basically the head person for foreign affairs, and multiple other roles.

Again, Ivanka is the key. Is Ivanka asking him to give these roles to her husband? Trump never says no to her, we all know that. Or does he genuinely trust Kushner? I think that is the key to this mystery. I have no idea what the answer is. I'll admit it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm increasingly convinced that Kushner needs to go (even to jail). He's been toxic in the White House and it's clear that his financial ties to Russia are sketchy. He probably couldn't get much out of the old man, so he went to Russians for foreign funding of his enterprises and in return connected Russian intelligence services to elements of the campaign. That is my current theory, based on what we actually know (of course, a lot of this is "anonymous sources").

The only way he'll be removed is if he goes to jail. It'll be worth it, assuming Trump's alleged cover-up to protect his son-in-law didn't occur. If Kushner is guilty, it is likely that the President might have actually covered it up to protect his son.

I'll be damned if any actual collusion outside of Kushner assigning contacts is ever proven. And no votes were hacked, as we pretty much all agree. The obstruction of justice stuff is where the most smoke is coming from as of late.

If Kushner goes to jail, his father went to jail. How so horrible.

Oh the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Which is part of the reason I suspect Trump doesn't respect Kushner much.

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counter-theory:

it is real AND the russians are spreading it.

Regardless, Putin is probably the source of a lot of this. I think he wants to sow chaos period. And I won't blame him for that from a geopolitical perspective.

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It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

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It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

See my edited post.

I don't know if this makes sense but if he knew wouldn't multiple meetings imply approval of said meetings?

There were only two meetings between April-November, no? I've just got off the phone with another (well former) poster who I spent an hour talking with. I've missed a lot of the new developments.