Trump immigration megathread

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I'm fine with permanent residency for aliens who can pass a basic citizenship test and have no criminal record, so long as they are permanently barred from actual citizenship. They'd have all the same rights and benefits aside the right to vote (a fair punishment), and any descendants of theirs born within the US would of course be natural born Americans. If they truly are coming here for a better life(and not a better bottom line), they'd gobble this deal up the second it's offered.

Criminal aliens of course will still be deported, hopefully at Obama like levels.

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How the hell can you post this and not give a source? The f**k?

He never, ever posts sources or even links. "I just heard Greta say it" is not a freaking source.

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Criminal aliens of course will still be deported, hopefully at Obama like levels.

good start, just one question:

dreamers = illegal aliens?

Technically. Part of my "deal" (if anyone would listen) is that in return for permanent residency, you lose your chance to aspire for full citizenship. Dreamers would be dealt with like any other illegal who applies for the residency status.

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I'd be furious if this happens, they should all be deported.

You're not an American. Deal with it.

I'm from Essex County, Massachusetts...

You have France as a avatar. I assumed given the large number of conservative foreigners we have.

That said hilariously the God Emperor turning on his promises? Neber would've guessed.

You think Rubio would even attempt to make a serious push for immigration enforcement? The others were such empty-suits that even if Trump betrayed every single campaign promise, I'd still have no regrets about voting for him since he was the only candidate in the race running on that platform.

I do love how Trump's opposition sneer "told you so!" at every apparent betrayal, yet still are also crying henny-penny about the incoming second Holocaust. Just today at FSU I saw fliers that said "resist the Trump/Pence REGIME" or something like that. Make up your mind. Is he a liberal puppet who ran to purposely throw the election to Hillary that shows how stupid we in the Trumpletariet are? Or is he Hitler 2.0 who is going to throw all the blacks, browns, gays, and Jews into camps? Make your minds up guys .

Criminal aliens of course will still be deported, hopefully at Obama like levels.

good start, just one question:

dreamers = illegal aliens?

Technically. Part of my "deal" (if anyone would listen) is that in return for permanent residency, you lose your chance to aspire for full citizenship. Dreamers would be dealt with like any other illegal who applies for the residency status.

But this has the potential to create a huge underclass.

Plus it's a ticking time bomb for nationalists once a Democrat gets the Presidency.

It'd be a generational underclass. They'll die off eventually; their children will be citizens and they'd have every right minus voting, so I fail to see how it would lock their families into a cycle of poverty or anything like that. At least not more so than they would be now, anyway.

And of course, there needs to be some punishment. Should we pin a medal on them because they committed a crime? They should be grateful just to be allowed to stay.

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You know as well as I do their kids will get the right to vote when the Democratic Party retakes power. There's not a single thing stopping a Democratic Congress and White House from overturning such a deal.

I mean, nothing is stopping the Democratic Party from opening the floodgates again even if we deported every single last one of them at bayonet point, so I don't see a real difference besides short term stability.

If we just give up on punishing illegal immigration, we'll only be inviting more in the future. We can do something now, it'll work until it's repealed, then we'll do it again. We'll be fighting this battle amongst ourselves as long as we have a border to cross. History works in a cycle. Some basic issues never go away.

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I'd be furious if this happens, they should all be deported.

You're not an American. Deal with it.

I'm from Essex County, Massachusetts...

You have France as a avatar. I assumed given the large number of conservative foreigners we have.

Classic Conservative is an edgy Crusades romanticizer, you see.

It's worth noting that CC (who I like, don't get me wrong) is still an unrepentant Ted Cruz supporter. The vision of Trumpism that terrifies the opposition so much (the #resistance crowd and their purple haired feminist fellow travelers on campus) is in reality the vision of Ted Cruz, not Donald Trump.

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I don't see them as trivialities, but they came here illegally.  It's irrational for them to expect that they somehow end up with U.S. citizenship at the end of the day.

Well, if you lack the imagination to think of any other sanction, incentive, or compromise then of course it would seem irrational.

I can think of other sanctions, but they'd be even more draconian.  Simply granting amnesty as if they they were a legal immigrant as of the date amnesty is granted is not an viable option.  For that matter unless we do something to make illegal immigration less attractive in the future (and no I don't mean building that useless wall) there's little point in doing any sort of amnesty.  Personally, I favor making E-verify a requirement for all employers nationwide and considerably upping the penalties for failing to do so.

Permanent residency without citizenship is a much more draconian punishment that most people realize, and in its effects collectively sanctions entire communities and groups of workers, many of whom are legal immigrants or even native US citizens, rather than only those who entered the country or overstayed illegally.

It is a punishment that affects the US citizen who can't sit in front of a jury of his or her true "peers," or who can't count on votes from any of his or her friends and neighbors during a run for county legislator, as much as the people whom it would directly prevent from acting as citizens. It is not just denying people a "right" that ought to be treated extremely seriously in any liberal democracy worthy of the name; it also prevents them from meeting an obligation in a way that necessarily has wide ripple effects.

If you are arguing for total amnesty on the grounds that it will deprive a Hispanic candidate of potential votes, than you might as well create artificial voters. They don't have a vote under their current, undocumented status. Why should they get one after?

They have no obligation. The whole point of this draconian punishment is to prevent further such instances of illegal immigration. I'm sorta surprised you'd think we'd be swayed by the consequences of the punishment, considering the right-wing is the side that is pushing for increased action to begin with.

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Called it months ago. They recognize being anti-minority is going to backfire if Latinos turn out and continue voting Democratic. So ergo this.

I doubt the compromise will ever happen (Trump's base would revolt) but can you imagine the millions of new Democrats if a future Democratic President legalized them all?

This is hilarious to watch and I can only imagine Trump's base going apoplectic.

Of course Latino's are gonna continue to vote Dem most of them are immigrants or their parents of immigrants.

Well, the modern GOP acting like complete racist dicks to Hispanics of all stripes (except Cubans of course) doesn't help.

Hell, people are usually just as opposed to legal immigration as they are to illegal immigration for the same reasons.

It doesn't matter how the GOP acts towards Hispanics  for the most part they are still gonna vote for Dems because their parents or they themselves grew up in 3rd world countries where the governments do a whole lot of stuff.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA!

Think about it.  No really.  THINK!  You apparently are way out of practice, but try thinking for a change.  If they were being cared for by a safety net that worked, why did they come here in the first place? To experience food loaded with HFCS?  That would make about as much as sense as what you just said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrY199QiB8