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Atlas Has Shrugged
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« on: November 12, 2016, 01:23:28 PM »

Wonderful. I look forward to renewed detante with Putin.
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 01:53:15 PM »

Does he realize President of Austria doesn't have an actual power?

Wonderful. I look forward to renewed detante with Putin.

I wonder who are you going to throw under the bus? Would that be my folks? The Baltic Republics? Or maybe just the rest of Ukraine.

There is no comparision with 1970s Detente, which was a right and logic move, an appeasing Putin now.
Throw under the bus? Not Poland, we need Poland. You'll be fine.

But I welcome Russia entrenching itself in it's rightful territory of the Crimea that has been Russian since the Washington Presidency, and I wouldn't mind NATO coming apart for that matter since it is basically the military arm of the soon to be dead post-WWII era.

I also hope we align with the Assad regime, work to weaken transnational superstates in the making like the EU, and prepare for the powerful economic vacuum that the collapse of China (circa 2050) will bring.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 02:00:00 PM »

Does he realize President of Austria doesn't have an actual power?

Wonderful. I look forward to renewed detante with Putin.

I wonder who are you going to throw under the bus? Would that be my folks? The Baltic Republics? Or maybe just the rest of Ukraine.

There is no comparision with 1970s Detente, which was a right and logic move, an appeasing Putin now.
Throw under the bus? Not Poland, we need Poland. You'll be fine.

But I welcome Russia entrenching itself in it's rightful territory of the Crimea that has been Russian since the Washington Presidency, and I wouldn't mind NATO coming apart for that matter since it is basically the military arm of the soon to be dead post-WWII era.

I also hope we align with the Assad regime, work to weaken transnational superstates in the making like the EU, and prepare for the powerful economic vacuum that the collapse of China (circa 2050) will bring.

Do you think Trump knows or cares? Putin could probably name any country he wants US forces to withdraw from and Trump would just say "yeah, why do we have them there anyway?"
And why do we have them there exactly? What purpose does keeping Putin out of Estonia serve exactly? Besides muh UN obligations?
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 03:31:38 PM »

Does he realize President of Austria doesn't have an actual power?

Wonderful. I look forward to renewed detante with Putin.

I wonder who are you going to throw under the bus? Would that be my folks? The Baltic Republics? Or maybe just the rest of Ukraine.

There is no comparision with 1970s Detente, which was a right and logic move, an appeasing Putin now.
Throw under the bus? Not Poland, we need Poland. You'll be fine.

But I welcome Russia entrenching itself in it's rightful territory of the Crimea that has been Russian since the Washington Presidency, and I wouldn't mind NATO coming apart for that matter since it is basically the military arm of the soon to be dead post-WWII era.

I also hope we align with the Assad regime, work to weaken transnational superstates in the making like the EU, and prepare for the powerful economic vacuum that the collapse of China (circa 2050) will bring.

Do you think Trump knows or cares? Putin could probably name any country he wants US forces to withdraw from and Trump would just say "yeah, why do we have them there anyway?"
And why do we have them there exactly? What purpose does keeping Putin out of Estonia serve exactly? Besides muh UN obligations?

Because Estonia is a pluralistic democracy and when Russia previously occupied the Baltic countries, they deported hundreds of thousands of people, killed thousands more, ensured ethnic Russians received preferential treatment to locals, and brutally suppressed any opposition?
1. Putin is not Stalin. That isn't going to happen.
2. Even if it did, how would that exactly our interest? What purpose would stopping it serve other than to sacrifice the flower of a generation to the war machine and our cities to mushroom clouds?

Throw under the bus? Not Poland, we need Poland. You'll be fine.

Right, silly me. Mr. Trump likes his undocumented workers.

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Crimea had been part of Ukraine since the 50s, when Krustchev ceded it to the Ukrainian SSR. If there was a time to rectify this, it was when the USSR collapsed.

I was long convinced NATO serves no purpose anymore, but what happened in the East convinces me I was wrong.

The whole principle of peace in stability in Europe post-1945 was respect for existing borders.

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Weaking the EU is not really in U.S. interest.

Because Estonia is a pluralistic democracy and when Russia previously occupied the Baltic countries, they deported hundreds of thousands of people, killed thousands more, ensured ethnic Russians received preferential treatment to locals, and brutally suppressed any opposition?

Also it's naive to think if you "cede" Estonia to Putin he'd just say "OK, I'm really stopping now with other countries Smiley" Well, he can say that, but he proves himself not a trustworthy partner.
It isn't naive because I don't care. I'm not dying for some Estonian. And of course, the USSR was not a legitimate successor to the Russian Empire and the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution. So any and all of the precedents set by the USSR are out the window.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 12:32:44 PM »

the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution.

Jesus Christ, Sanchez.
Only legitimate transfers of power should be recognized. The American Revolution was one. The Glorious Revolution was another. The secession of the CSA can even be legally justified (though, of course, not nearly as much as the subsequent reconquest and repatriation by the Union). These were totally different animals compared to the Russian Revolution or the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany, where existing albeit flawed state structures were overthrown either by force or just general intimidation.

It isn't naive because I don't care. I'm not dying for some Estonian. And of course, the USSR was not a legitimate successor to the Russian Empire and the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution. So any and all of the precedents set by the USSR are out the window.

Just curious, do you have a map somewhere of countries whose citizens you're willing to die for and countries you don't give a sh** about?

I just pictured La Fayette, Tadeusz Kościuszko, Comte de Rochambeau, Kazimierz Pułaski and Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben all saying: "f**k this, why would I give a s**t about these colonist?"
I didn't know Frederick the Great sent Prussian troops to die along with Colonel von Steuben to wage war against their continental ally Britain. That comparison makes total sense!
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