Authorities say hate motivated Kansas shooting

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

We really need to start evaluating what we keep as states.

Isn't it a little hateful to write off the people of Kansas because of one shooting?

The really interesting aspect of this story is that the gunman was not some random follower-he was a leader. He ran for office several times and was on the Howard Stern Show in the past.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

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Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

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Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

I think it's pretty obvious that his political leanings went hand-in-hand with his odious racial views. I'm not implying that all Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan supporters are hate criminals or murderers. But someone who shoots up a Jewish community center and talks about "mud people" is not going to be a modern Democrat or a pro-immigration reform Jeb Bush Republican.

Don't get me wrong, the Paleocon movement has its dark corners, and my own year long foray into white nationalism was influenced by those elements. But I felt it distasteful to label the shooter as such, and it is clear that his racial views influenced his political views more than his political views influenced his racial views.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

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Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

We don't need a "climate of harmony", but police and government violenty tackling the racist groups.

That still has nothing to do with the bashing of a political ideology over one incident.

You clearly do not know the consequences of a violent response to hate groups. This was a lone-wolf terrorist attack. If you go after large, unaffiliated hate groups, you’re only going to stir up more problems. These people are armed to the teeth, and they are complete psychopaths. Taking down an unrelated group because of this incident will turn this man into a martyr, which is the opposite of what he is right now in the neo-Nazi community (they are laughing at him, plus he has a reputation as a snitch).

Just like the United States did not go after Chechen groups after the Boston bombing (ignore the fact that it was diplomatically impossible, being part of Russia), so should we not be “violently” seeking retribution for one minor shooting. It will literally open a Pandora’s box.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

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Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

I think it's pretty obvious that his political leanings went hand-in-hand with his odious racial views. I'm not implying that all Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan supporters are hate criminals or murderers. But someone who shoots up a Jewish community center and talks about "mud people" is not going to be a modern Democrat or a pro-immigration reform Jeb Bush Republican.

Sure, but you're going out of your way to throw mud and tar the reputation of a political ideology.

Ron Paul is a little more complicated. (I bet he's an anti-Semite though)

But, Pat Buchanan is a rabid anti-Semite who admires Adolf Hitler.  There's certainly an association between hating Jews and being a Nazi sympathizer and committing violent hate crimes. 

Supporting non interventionism in World War II is NOT admiring Hitler. And your psychoanalyzing of Ron Paul was cute.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

I think it's pretty obvious that his political leanings went hand-in-hand with his odious racial views. I'm not implying that all Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan supporters are hate criminals or murderers. But someone who shoots up a Jewish community center and talks about "mud people" is not going to be a modern Democrat or a pro-immigration reform Jeb Bush Republican.

Sure, but you're going out of your way to throw mud and tar the reputation of a political ideology.

Ron Paul is a little more complicated. (I bet he's an anti-Semite though)

But, Pat Buchanan is a rabid anti-Semite who admires Adolf Hitler.  There's certainly an association between hating Jews and being a Nazi sympathizer and committing violent hate crimes.  

Supporting non interventionism in World War II is NOT admiring Hitler. And your psychoanalyzing of Ron Paul was cute.

Well, Pat Buchanan both admires Hitler and thinks we should have capitulated to Hitler during WWII.  I wonder why.

This is from the ADL's own file on Buchanan.

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Hitler was a leader. An evil, sociopathic leader who had "courage", what ever Buchanan intends that to mean. I could argue that he had "balls" by taking on Russia, but it seems pretty clear to me that Buchanan is defending the man.

I retract my defense of Buchanan.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

We don't need a "climate of harmony", but police and government violenty tackling the racist groups.

That still has nothing to do with the bashing of a political ideology over one incident.

You clearly do not know the consequences of a violent response to hate groups. This was a lone-wolf terrorist attack. If you go after large, unaffiliated hate groups, you’re only going to stir up more problems. These people are armed to the teeth, and they are complete psychopaths.

Hence why we should attack them first, instead of waiting than they choose their moment and their battlefield.

Then, at the victory celebration, you can hang a nice, awesome banner that reads

That would be silly and dangerous provokation.

Keep in mind, Waco resulted in Oklahoma City. Doing nothing for twenty years since Oklahoma City has resulted in two minor incidents that are just as much based around the insanity of the attackers as it is around their hate. I can't some people think waging a full scale internal war on terror is an actually good idea. The FBI has prevented several incidents like this in the past and will do so in the future without the need of a "violent" response.

Keep in mind, I flirted with the fringe of this ideology once. I lurked Stormfront from time to time (though never desired to join that community) and have a good idea how most of these people think. Their paranoid nutjobs who want a war with the federal government, but are too afraid to start it.

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Hate? No sh*t. But it's not labeled terrorism, because it's a white guy who did it.

Erm, plenty of white people and predominately white groups have been labeled terrorists before. The State Department proscribed all paramilitary organizations in Northern Ireland, as well as groups like the Red Army Faction, and domestically you had the Weather Underground and various neo-Nazi groups like The Order. Timothy McVeigh was also labeled a terrorist.

The reason this wasn't an action of terrorism is because it was the work of a lone wolf, not an organization, and the legal definition of terrorism applies only to organizations.

Haven't the Tsarnaev brothers been charged with terrorism, or am I mistaken?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He was a Paulite/Buchananite paleocon with a visceral hatred of anyone who was not a white Christian.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Is it really necessary to mention Paulite/Buchananites/paleocons in that post? The guy who shot Gabby Giffords was a leftist, but that has nothing to do with his insanity. These types of post really don't create the climate of harmony needed to counter act such incidents as what happened in Kansas.

I think it's pretty obvious that his political leanings went hand-in-hand with his odious racial views. I'm not implying that all Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan supporters are hate criminals or murderers. But someone who shoots up a Jewish community center and talks about "mud people" is not going to be a modern Democrat or a pro-immigration reform Jeb Bush Republican.

Don't get me wrong, the Paleocon movement has its dark corners, and my own year long foray into white nationalism was influenced by those elements. But I felt it distasteful to label the shooter as such, and it is clear that his racial views influenced his political views more than his political views influenced his racial views.

thanks for reminding us

Might as well jump off the bridge before I am pushed off it. That being said, I feel my past experience is highly relevant in this debate. More so than usual; it is quite hard to truly grasp how ignorant, angry and hateful dumbasses like my former self really are.