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« on: September 12, 2013, 09:27:31 PM »

Social Democracy is incompatible with American life. The best the left can hope for is your typical American progressive, with universal healthcare, and maybe universal higher education being the only things I can see happening in the next fifty years.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 12:26:00 PM »

Social Democracy is incompatible with American life. The best the left can hope for is your typical American progressive, with universal healthcare, and maybe universal higher education being the only things I can see happening in the next fifty years.

Right, we must continue ever forward on our path of cannibalistic, inhumane capitalism. Starving kids must not be allowed to eat! That would interfere with the invisible hand giving them all the finger. Workers should not be allowed to strike for higher pay or form unions! That would prevent the useless parasites at the top from pulling in seven or eight figure salaries while the average person barely makes enough to make ends meet. And we wouldn't want that, now would we?
I never once mentioned capitalism. Socialism is not just an economic ideology. It is a collectivist ideology that is about men, not man, in the most individualist country. We already have unions. We have had them for about 130 years. They are not going away. We have food stamp programs. We have Medicaid and Medicare. We have the oldest public school system in the world. We have a basic welfare state, which, depending on who you ask, is either too big or too small. But contrary to Teabagger fears, we are not becoming a socialist country. Can America become a more progressive country? I hope I am wrong, but with a whole generation of young people being asswhiped by the great recession, I can certainly see LBJ/Roosevelt style progressivism making a return.

Oh, god I hope not. It would cease to be America. We are a constitutional republic. Everything about socialism and a social democracy disagree with the founding principles of the US.

Not now, it could happen sometime way way down the road, but if it does, I have a feeling there might be another historic civil war or something like that. Unless there are a solid majority of Americans that want a social democracy then there will be a fight.

Social Democracy is incompatible with American life. The best the left can hope for is your typical American progressive, with universal healthcare, and maybe universal higher education being the only things I can see happening in the next fifty years.

Are you two serious? Those two comments are ridiculous.
Care to make an argument? Lumping in my comment about how socialism is impossible in America with a ridiculous comment about a civil war/FREEDUM RELOVEUTION is a little unfair, is it not?

lol mid twenties parasites who can’t win a debate without insulting their opponents.

Ever? Sure, stranger things have happened. No one would have guessed that Russia would go communist first.

This. It may take years, a revolution and the complete upheaval of the American society as we know it, but it could happen.
No, basic capitalism is engrained in most Americans. Most Americans care more about getting on the same level of the rich then tearing them down to their own level, and they know that the whole "bootstraps" argument that the Tea Party and some of my fellow Libertarians throw at them is bullsh**t. They rather end the bailouts, and have the rich pay higher taxes to fund a basic welfare state then a full blown revolution in which wealth is redistributed, property seized and divided amongst the people, and the abolition of private property.

And I can’t see an armed socialist revolution being possible anyways, because most socialists generally want to ban all guns. Good luck facing our bloated army with pitchforks, mace, and rape whistles.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 05:21:42 PM »

Social Democracy isn't socialism. At least not of the type you're describing. Norway, Sweden and Denmark are social democratic countries, but you can't call them socialist in the manner you're describing. They're capitalist; in fact, I've read an article that state that Norway was better for start-up businesses than the US. And the way that the Scandinavian countries operate isn't incompatible with American life.

No its not, but its pretty darn close. The only reason I even mentioned socialism was because the author mentioned socialism as well as social democracies. I never intended to call them "socialistic". I kind of lumped the two together and that was unfair of me. And I said that socialism and social democracies go against founding principles, not our way of life.

Those countries you mentioned are livable, but they are, like all social democracies, high debt, many social programs (welfare state), high debt, and big government. Those are all things our founders tried to avoid happening, and it was certainly not what our country was based upon. Anyway, I obviously have a strong opinion against socialism/social democracies, but its because I think its one of the most dangerous things that could happen. In fact, we may be going down that road as we speak.

That is a flat out lie
It is and it isn't. It was designed to block any form of dictatorship, which could entail a monarchy, or a socialist, fascist, or corporatist dictatorship. It was also designed to allow for the United States to try certain things out (see Prohibition) over time.
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