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Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
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« on: August 11, 2013, 08:05:06 PM »

At least Buckley was not a Jew hater to give him his due. The "intellectual" Right at once time tended to be both racist and Jew hating.

Is hating Jews somehow more offensive than hating any other ethnic or religious group?

Considering that Jews have been the victims of outright genocide historically, while other groups have not, one could argue that this is in fact the case. That said, I'm Jewish, so perhaps I'm not a neutral observer.

HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

Are you seriously saying that groups besides the Jews have never been victims of genocide?
He is, and that is not an atypical position among zionists sadly.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 10:22:39 PM »

At least Buckley was not a Jew hater to give him his due. The "intellectual" Right at once time tended to be both racist and Jew hating.

Is hating Jews somehow more offensive than hating any other ethnic or religious group?

Considering that Jews have been the victims of outright genocide historically, while other groups have not, one could argue that this is in fact the case. That said, I'm Jewish, so perhaps I'm not a neutral observer.

HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

Are you seriously saying that groups besides the Jews have never been victims of genocide?

Obviously not (that was quite poorly phrased), just that most groups haven't and Jews have, and that one could argue that it is more offensive to discriminate against groups such as Jews (and Bosniaks and Tutsis) that have suffered genocide. 'Other groups' is not in this sense 'all other groups'. I didn't realize grammatical ambiguity existed there; sorry.

At least Buckley was not a Jew hater to give him his due. The "intellectual" Right at once time tended to be both racist and Jew hating.

Is hating Jews somehow more offensive than hating any other ethnic or religious group?

Considering that Jews have been the victims of outright genocide historically, while other groups have not, one could argue that this is in fact the case. That said, I'm Jewish, so perhaps I'm not a neutral observer.

HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

Are you seriously saying that groups besides the Jews have never been victims of genocide?
He is, and that is not an atypical position among zionists sadly.

Oh? Do tell me more.
Well, the Israeli government was once a huge supporter of Apartheid, despite using the call of "Never again! Never again! Never again!" as their most commonly used defense of their territorial integrity. It is frankly hypocritical, especially since Gaza is probably the world’s largest concentration camp right now (though launching rockets at Jewish preschools is not excusable and greatly discredits their cause.) Don't mistake me for being anti-Israel, because I am a supporter of Israel's right to exist. I am just annoyed by the often heard claim (at least down here in Florida, where the local Tea Party groups are mostly Jewish or Christian Zionist) that the Holocaust somehow is a more legitimate genocide and lends Israel a free hand to do anything it wants, despite the fact that Israel was not even an independent state at the time of the Nazi atrocities.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 10:32:09 PM »

A notorious example of William F Buckley's anti-Semitism.  Surprised no one has brought this up yet:

http://sanseverything.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/goldbergs-fascism-and-the-real-thing/

Of course, The New York Times and the UN also condemned Israel for "violating Argentina's sovereignty" and other crimes far more horrible than genocide by kidnapping Eichmann and bringing him back to Israel to stand trial.  It is often thought that Israel knew where Mengele was as early as the 1960's, but feared yet more global condemnation if they attempted to kidnap him (they knew they could never get him extradited) and try him in Israel.
No nation has the right to just kidnap a citizen from another nation for crimes he committed, no matter how horrible. Even the Bin Laden raid was wrong in my book, though I think I am emotionally invested enough in the situation to discard my usual respect for law and order.

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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 12:50:45 AM »

He is, and that is not an atypical position among zionists sadly.

Anti-Semitic hack.
Because all Jews are Zionists Roll Eyes
A notorious example of William F Buckley's anti-Semitism.  Surprised no one has brought this up yet:

http://sanseverything.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/goldbergs-fascism-and-the-real-thing/

Of course, The New York Times and the UN also condemned Israel for "violating Argentina's sovereignty" and other crimes far more horrible than genocide by kidnapping Eichmann and bringing him back to Israel to stand trial.  It is often thought that Israel knew where Mengele was as early as the 1960's, but feared yet more global condemnation if they attempted to kidnap him (they knew they could never get him extradited) and try him in Israel.
No nation has the right to just kidnap a citizen from another nation for crimes he committed, no matter how horrible. Even the Bin Laden raid was wrong in my book, though I think I am emotionally invested enough in the situation to discard my usual respect for law and order.



As opposed to the Israelis, who weren't emotionally invested. 

No nation - not even Argentina - has a right to "harbor" genocidal maniacs, either.

Considering what had transpired from 1933-1945, Israel could be described as the Bible described Noah - "blameless in his generation."
So all Jews are automatically bound to Israel and vice versa? That is a rather idealistic vision for geopolitics. Israel had no right to violate Argentina's sovereignty, and that is that. You have a rather subjective view on foreign policy.
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