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jfern
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« on: September 13, 2004, 01:55:29 AM »
« edited: September 13, 2004, 01:56:18 AM by jfern »

The "1"s in the memo were really "l"s. Whoever made this attempt wasn't doing a very good job.

What happened to the argument that typewriters don't have closed "4"s?
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2004, 02:14:03 AM »

I think that the soar thumb sticking out is the superscript "th". Only a computer can do that - as stated above, with a typewriter you would need to change the ball and it would be off center.

Some typewriters had "th" keys
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jfern
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2004, 02:19:29 AM »

Anyways, the important thing is, it looks a lot better if they adjust the vertical and horizontal spacing. They don't seem to have the "th" superscript key, so oh well there. Maybe they could create it anyways using a regular "th" and moving up and then down manually, which would be easy to screw up. If these documents were geniune, they were probably written by an experienced secretary. There's some learned skill involved in using these things.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2004, 07:50:58 PM »

I just found out what jfern did.  He saw the images I used, and assumed I was pulling them from freerupblic (a known highly partisan site.)  Thus he figured the arguement about the "1"s being "l"s was part of it.  Knowing this is a weak argument he set it up and knocked it down.  A total strawman argument and not a part of the case beign asserted here.



In the original document "l"s were used instead of "1"s. Look at it closely.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 12:37:47 AM »

I am surprised this is not getting more attention here.  This is a test sme of us have been calling for.  Here it is and the Selectric Composer is out as a source for the documents.

You should read this (and my response to you above) since you think things are so definitive:
http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/bush-national-guard-memo.html

You continue to miss the point.  If there was a typewriter that can produce an exact replica of the document, why has no one done so yet?  I understand it may take time to check all possible typewriters, but many can be eliminated just because the font was not made for them.

The IBM Selectric Composer has been cited by many people as being able to produce the document.  It did have every feature available that was needed for the document.  To test if an IBM Selectric Composer did make the document in question someone attempted to recreate the document.  The document is not a match.  Thus the IBM Selectric Composer can be ruled out as having produced the original.

I am not saying that no other typewriter had all of the necessary features.  However, to this point no one else has come up with a typewriter that had all the features.   There remains the theoretical possibility of such a typewriter, but no one has yet to produce one.

So, find me a typewriter that has the TNR font available, superscripting, kerning, proportional spacing and capable of precise centering and we can run the same test.  An actual typewriter, not a theoretical one.

If the technology existed in another machine, produce it.  None of your previous replies have mentioned a specific machine capable of all the required elements, only that such technology existed.  It clearly did in the Selectric Composer.

The Selectric and Selectric II have both been tested.   http://www.selectric.org/selectric/

And an example comparing the Selectric to the document in question, from the same site as above.  http://www.selectric.org/selectric/fonts/prestigeelite72.gif



TNR - typerwriters have it and similar looking fonts (the PDFs aren't high enough quality to be sure which font it is)

Superscripting - It's a raised "th" key

Kerning - Where's the kerning?

Proportional spacing - Been available on typewriters since the '40s

Precise centering - A basic learned skill
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jfern
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 02:42:57 AM »


Nobody has yet responded to my question as to why, since these do appear to be forgeries, they were done in such an obvious manner.  Why didn't they just get a typewriter from the '70s, since they appear to be available, and type it out on there?  

Because the liberal that forged these documents was extremely stupid.

LOL!
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