Would you support the following HYPOTHETICAL peace treaty for the Russian-Ukrainian War?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Putin would rather fight to the death than have Ukraine have 50 of its own nukes pointed at Moscow.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Disagree with all this "vengeance on Russia" stuff.

If they are eventually badly defeated in this war (and that is far from a given, it has to be said) they should be given the chance to join the civilised family of nations just as the Germans and Japanese were after WW2. Nations, just as with individuals, need carrots as well as sticks.

seems like we tried this once with Russia already and it didn't take.  I'm sure different people will have different opinions as to why that is, but my theory is that they were never properly beaten in a war.  Unlike Germany and Japan.

Under drunk Yeltsin, Russians had shrinking economy, high inflation, and shortened lifespans.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

     It amuses me when people discuss dismembering Russia, forgetting that Russia has the power to turn us all into shadows on the wall and wouldn't hesitate to do so in order to forgo that outcome. While there are some unrealistic elements of the peace plan broached in the topic post and others in this thread have done a fine job of pointing them out, I do appreciate that it recognizes the need to give Russia an off-ramp that would discourage taking a nuclear option. I voted "yes" on the poll.

Yeah people don’t get that due to Russian nukes , they do have more leverage then they otherwise do . While that sucks , it is something we cannot change and thus have to deal with the issue as exists rather than what ideally should happen

Yeah, there needs to be a real compromise. Like Ukraine recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, the rest of Ukraine is returned, all Ukrainian parties are unbanned, Russian is added as an official language. Ukraine can join NATO and EU but not have US troops or weapons in Ukraine.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Under drunk Yeltsin, Russians had shrinking economy, high inflation, and shortened lifespans.

The person who talks these Putin templates about a person who suffered a bunch of heart attacks, and about an economy that was trying to recover after dozens of years of government imprisoning and shooting any private entrepreneurs, clearly indicates who he is.

Yelstin had something like a 2% approval rating. I'm sure plenty of Russians hate both Putin and Yeltsin.