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« on: November 16, 2019, 03:01:08 PM »


Not necessarily.



The odds that a President Warren would have both chambers after the 2022 midterms is not good. This is a pretty hackish defense of Warren clearly not pushing for single payer.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2019, 04:25:15 PM »


Not necessarily.



The odds that a President Warren would have both chambers after the 2022 midterms is not good. This is a pretty hackish defense of Warren clearly not pushing for single payer.

Weigel says a Demo president "would have a shot at that." Nobody's arguing that it's likely Dems could keep their majorities. Regardless, nobody with any sense thinks single payer is going to pass all at once in the first two years of any Democrat's term, and Warren is far and away the candidate most committed to actually getting some single payer plan passed.

Don't argue with jfern. It's a lost cause.

Jfern can literally twist titanium beams into criticisms of anybody who isn't Bernie.

Warren really has made it clear that single payer won't be a priority. This talk of the 3rd year is treating voters like idiots.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2019, 09:41:26 PM »

Unless Warren manages to take some from Warren, it will be very hard for her.

Warren is doing a very good job of running against Warren.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2019, 01:30:53 AM »

Real progressives don't choose Joe Biden as their running mate.

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2020, 09:09:01 PM »

Wow, my opinion of Warren had sunk quite a bit recently, but I didn't think she was this much of a terrible person. Never Warren!
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2020, 04:27:58 AM »

I can't believe I miss Kamala Harris now.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2020, 03:07:04 AM »


Are Harvard Law Professors supposed to know about the first amendment?
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2020, 07:02:58 PM »



Unprecedented levels of cringe from Warren here. Hopefully Klobuchar can put this disastrous identity politics campaign out of its misery.

If you look hard enough, you can find a young trans person who approves of even Betsy Devos. The Warren campaign has been pure cringe so far this year.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 08:29:09 PM »

Elizabeth Warren's Superpac Persist is running TV ads in Nevada and they are spending huge money while Warren was blasting Our Revolution which was doing volunteer work and not running ads as being a Superpac. What a hypocritical person and a total fraud.

Wake us up when the head of the Superpac joins Warren's campaign as senior staff *cough* Nina Turner *cough*.

Bernie doesn't have a SuperPAC.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 04:11:18 PM »



It's true. Every other candidate except Klobuchar now has one.

Bernie does not have a SuperPAC.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 04:55:31 PM »



What blatant hypocrisy after the accusations she hurled at Bernie.

Lying Liz can't help but lie.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 09:09:55 PM »

Interesting in light of Bernie stans giving Warren crap over the Super PAC.



Now Bernie has a misleading tweet saying he's the only one who doesn't "have a Super PAC that's spending millions" - technically, National Nurses United spending is under $1 million and technically Our Revolution is not a Super PAC, however the latter has not disclosed all its donors and has spent significant amounts of money to help Bernie since Iowa. Not to mention its former head is now a senior campaign aide of Sanders, and it has been accused of illegal coordination by watchdog groups. But even if you're not bothered by any of that, the deceptive nature of this latest hit is not good.

Our Revolution isn't a SuperPAC, and Warren already had her own PAC. Just because your candidate lies doesn't mean you have to.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 11:09:04 PM »

Bernie Sanders stans need to shut the hell up. Our Revolution is dark money. GTFO.

I get Bloomberg is an easy punching bag but he's not on the ballot in Nevada or South Carolina. IDK what she's accomplishing battering him while Sanders runs away with Nevada scot-free.


That is a lie. PACs have to report donations over $200 and are limited to $5000.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 09:32:43 PM »

Pro-Warren Super PAC makes $3 million ad buy in Super Tuesday states:




So 2 of the poorest cities in California? Did they not notice what sort of voters vote Warren?
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2020, 10:17:40 PM »

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/27/elizabeth-warren-persist-into-convention-even-if-down-delegates/4890006002/

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren is ready to stay in the race for the presidential nomination through the Democratic National Convention in July.

During a CNN town hall event Wednesday night, the senator from Massachusetts said that she would take her fight all the way to the convention floor, even if she is trailing another candidate in delegates.

"A lot of people made $5 contributions to my campaign to keep me in it," Warren said. "And as long as they want me to stay in this race, I'm staying in this race. That, and I've done a lot of pinkie promises out there so I gotta stay in this. I've told little girls, 'We persist.'"


She's just saying the quiet part out loud.  Campaigns end when the money runs out.  Any candidate who can keep the contributions coming in will stick it out as long as they can.

Her SuperPAC just got $14 million to use her to deny Bernie to nomination. There's plenty more where that came from.
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« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2020, 08:57:53 PM »

Warren says Sanders "consistently calls for things he fails to get done":



Warren is clearly staying in the race solely to deny Bernie the nomination. Epic HP.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2020, 12:17:51 AM »

A few possibilities:
1.  Warren, like everyone else not in a bubble of self-delusion, sees Sanders as a riskier bet against Trump.
2.  Based on his unwillingness to support even basic process reforms like ending the filibuster, Warren (correctly) sees Sanders as not really interested in following through on his progressive rhetoric.
3.  Considering the odious trolls he's brought into his campaign, Warren (rightly) doesn't trust Sanders to staff his administration with competent, coalition-building pols.
4.  Biden is a horse-trader by nature, and there's every reason to think she can strike a fair deal with him:. her support for some influence over policy/staffing decisions.

1. Bernie polls quite well despite having been attacked a lot more than Biden recently
2. The idea that Bernie would be completely opposed to ending the filibuster is nonsense
3. Warren has some pretty awful people in her campaign
4. You don't get to be the amendment king or get that 2014 Veterans bill passed without some trades being made.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2020, 04:35:52 PM »

To Warren-apologists.

Imagine a reverse situation. Warren surging to 30% in national polls, is a front-runner winning all H2H in primaries as well as in GE, while Bernie gets 5th place i SC and loses Vermont to Warren. What would you say if Bernie did as she does...

Don't bother to reply. We all know the answer.

Based in what Bernie did in 2016, I would absolutely expect him to stay in the race in this situation.

Bernie absolutely would have dropped out and endorsed Warren if the situations were reversed. He tried to convince her to run in 2016.
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2020, 09:41:46 PM »

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2020, 10:35:16 PM »

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

It's a 2 person race between Bernie and Biden, and Warren has done a lot more to help Biden lately.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2020, 12:04:33 AM »

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

It's a 2 person race between Bernie and Biden, and Warren has done a lot more to help Biden lately.

One week ago, everyone’s criticism of Warren was that she was attacking all the moderates too much and not doing enough to damage Bernie.

Yes, she attacked Bloomberg a lot, but she attacked Bernie and not Biden at the last debate. Both of those actions helped Biden. Bloomberg wasn't polling as well against Bernie in a 1v1 race.
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