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« on: October 17, 2017, 11:37:54 PM »

What's with all the hate? She is one of my favorite politicians.

Well, she has railed against "homosexual extremists" on multiple occasions so I don't trust her "evolution" on that issue.

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Against civil unions? Really? Even Dubya supported those in 2004!

She has some problematic stances on foreign policy. Such as constant Assad apologism and buying into conspiracies about how he never used chemical weapons and it was a false flag.

And the cult around her is annoying. As if she's some martyr who got turned into stone by Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Medusa gaze just because she endorsed Bernie and VOLUNTARILY resigned from the DNC. Roll Eyes

She still endorsed SSM before the last Democratic Presidential nominee did.

Assad like Saddam is a bad person, but that doesn't justify a war. We have plenty of bad people (like the House of Saud) that are our "allies".
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 01:10:51 AM »

Links to Hindu nationalist groups, Islamophobia, opposition to gay rights, supports Assad over actual left wing resistance in Rojava. What exactly about her is supposed to be progressive?

She supports arming the Kurds.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/01/arming-the-kurds-rising-house-dem-finds-common-cause-with-major-bgr-client/

And she opposes Trump's travel ban and supports SSM.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 02:03:28 AM »

What's with all the hate? She is one of my favorite politicians.

Well, she has railed against "homosexual extremists" on multiple occasions so I don't trust her "evolution" on that issue.

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Against civil unions? Really? Even Dubya supported those in 2004!

She has some problematic stances on foreign policy. Such as constant Assad apologism and buying into conspiracies about how he never used chemical weapons and it was a false flag.

And the cult around her is annoying. As if she's some martyr who got turned into stone by Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Medusa gaze just because she endorsed Bernie and VOLUNTARILY resigned from the DNC. Roll Eyes

She still endorsed SSM before the last Democratic Presidential nominee did.

Assad like Saddam is a bad person, but that doesn't justify a war. We have plenty of bad people (like the House of Saud) that are our "allies".

Yeah nice try. Hardly any Democrats opposed civil unions, much less consistently used hateful slurs like "homosexual extremists." Hell, even most Republicans didn't go that far.

Her rather had influenced her views a lot when she was 22, and she came out for SSM before Hillary did.


Links to Hindu nationalist groups, Islamophobia, opposition to gay rights, supports Assad over actual left wing resistance in Rojava. What exactly about her is supposed to be progressive?

She supports arming the Kurds.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/01/arming-the-kurds-rising-house-dem-finds-common-cause-with-major-bgr-client/

And she opposes Trump's travel ban and supports SSM.
You crucify Hillary over her backflips on SSM yet give Tulsi, whose opposition to it was far more vociferous, a pass?

No one tried to claim that Tulsi has been fighting for gays the way they claimed Hillary has.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 07:05:10 PM »

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Her rather had influenced her views a lot when she was 22, and she came out for SSM before Hillary did.
She didn't actually evolve on the issue, she just hid her views for electabilitys sake.

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Look at things other then the date she came out in favor of gay marriage.

You mean when she was 22? She was brought up in a very homophobic household, and yet still managed to support SSM before Hillary.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 04:38:46 PM »

the more I read about Tulsi, the more I like her.

How can anyone Democrat get mad at Bush over Iraq then be against Assad?

Gabbard isn't pro Assad, just like people against the Iraq war weren't pro Saddam. There are plenty of sh**tty leaders, some of whom are our "allies" like the House of Saud.

And about gay marriage, she'll be fine.

Sanders got people to believe he's always been pro-gay marriage although he didn't explicitly support it til 2009.

He had never opposed it. In the 1970s, he called for abolishing on laws dealing homosexuality, which could be implied as supporting SSM, but SSM wasn't really an issue talked about much until this century.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 05:15:12 PM »

the more I read about Tulsi, the more I like her.

How can anyone Democrat get mad at Bush over Iraq then be against Assad?

Gabbard isn't pro Assad, just like people against the Iraq war weren't pro Saddam. There are plenty of sh**tty leaders, some of whom are our "allies" like the House of Saud.

And about gay marriage, she'll be fine.

Sanders got people to believe he's always been pro-gay marriage although he didn't explicitly support it til 2009.

He had never opposed it. In the 1970s, he called for abolishing on laws dealing homosexuality, which could be implied as supporting SSM, but SSM wasn't really an issue talked about much until this century.

Sanders signed a resolution in the early 80s declaring marriage between a woman and man and as recently as 2006 said it should be left up to the states.

Yet he got everyone to think he's been at the forefront of gay rights lol.

Hell, Obama and Clinton got people to believe they're gay right innovators (even though Clinton is STILL personally against gay marriage).

And Assad is crappy but far better than letting Neocons take control. One of the best thing Trump did was stop the selling of weapons to the Al-Qaeda/ISIS I meant "rebels" my bad.

That 1980s letter he signed just mentioned husband and wife at a time when gay marriage wasn't an issue, so I don't think it really can be taken as opposition to gay marriage. And in 2006, leaving it to the states was the view of most who supported SSM since Congress was still trying to pass a constitutional amendment to ban it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2017, 05:24:27 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2017, 05:25:58 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

the more I read about Tulsi, the more I like her.

How can anyone Democrat get mad at Bush over Iraq then be against Assad?

Gabbard isn't pro Assad, just like people against the Iraq war weren't pro Saddam. There are plenty of sh**tty leaders, some of whom are our "allies" like the House of Saud.

And about gay marriage, she'll be fine.

Sanders got people to believe he's always been pro-gay marriage although he didn't explicitly support it til 2009.

He had never opposed it. In the 1970s, he called for abolishing on laws dealing homosexuality, which could be implied as supporting SSM, but SSM wasn't really an issue talked about much until this century.

Sanders signed a resolution in the early 80s declaring marriage between a woman and man and as recently as 2006 said it should be left up to the states.

Yet he got everyone to think he's been at the forefront of gay rights lol.

Hell, Obama and Clinton got people to believe they're gay right innovators (even though Clinton is STILL personally against gay marriage).

And Assad is crappy but far better than letting Neocons take control. One of the best thing Trump did was stop the selling of weapons to the Al-Qaeda/ISIS I meant "rebels" my bad.

His 1980s thing wasn't against gay marriage, it just mentioned husband and wife at a time when gay marriage wasn't an issue. And in 2006, leaving it to the states was the view of most who supported SSM since Congress was still trying to pass a constitutional amendment to ban it.

Which was Hillary's exact position in 2006 as well. And unlike Gabbard, she never opposed civil unions or used anti-gay slurs.

Hillary had spoken out against SSM, which Bernie never did. She was an opponent until she switched to supporting it in 2013, after a poll showed 58% of Americans supported it. As for Gabbard, no one claimed she was a leader on LGBT issues, but she still supported SSM before Hillary.
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