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jfern
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« on: December 19, 2016, 06:31:20 AM »

When did Syria and Russia become the single most important issue for red avatars on this board? I'm not saying it isn't important, because it is, but why are so many of you all of the sudden single issue voters when it comes to this?

This argument is the hallmark of a lost cause; and similar to when people would scream 'why do you care about gay marriage when the economy is in tank!' about 4-5 years ago. Even if it wasn't an important issue (which it is) it's still a barometer of your values/political outlook; supporting Assad over people who rose up in what started as a civil protest in 2010 is a foul, and awful view for anyone who claims to be on the centre left/left. When people like George Galloway support Assad it shows just how awful it is.


It's not awful to not support ISIS and Al Qaeda over Assad.
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2016, 06:44:29 AM »

When did Syria and Russia become the single most important issue for red avatars on this board? I'm not saying it isn't important, because it is, but why are so many of you all of the sudden single issue voters when it comes to this?

This argument is the hallmark of a lost cause; and similar to when people would scream 'why do you care about gay marriage when the economy is in tank!' about 4-5 years ago. Even if it wasn't an important issue (which it is) it's still a barometer of your values/political outlook; supporting Assad over people who rose up in what started as a civil protest in 2010 is a foul, and awful view for anyone who claims to be on the centre left/left. When people like George Galloway support Assad it shows just how awful it is.


It's not awful to not support ISIS and Al Qaeda over Assad.

But it's awful to think that Assad is a lesser evil, or somehow a preferable choice. When people on the left were cheering the 'liberation of Aleppo' last week it shows how morally bankrupt the far left has been on foreign policy for years

Compared to ISIS and Al Qaeda, Assad is the lesser evil.
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jfern
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2016, 06:08:53 PM »

Guys, Shadows is a Trump supporter who trolls by posting various pro-Sanders and related posts. Why are you even responding to him?

He's not a Trump supporter.
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jfern
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 02:45:43 AM »

What policy positions does Tulsi have which would make Democrats unable to support her?

Incredible war hawk.

Supports universal healthcare, is anti-TPP, wants to toughen up on Wall Street and so on.

In other words, she's the antithesis of everything the Booker crowd wants.

Sure, there are areas to disagree with her on, but at least make it genuine. She's not an over-the-top war hawk. Heck, Obama's got what, 7 wars going on now? Plus, she's said herself she wants to put an end to wars of regime change, something Hillary has voted for in the past.

At least make your disagreements with her genuine instead of lining up fake attacks.
I'm not sure what you're implying, but being a war hawk is a very legitimate disagreement.

In a Booker v. Gabbard primary, I would sit out.

EDIT: Examples of Tulsi's hawkishness. (And her weird admiration of Putin.)





Well, bombing Al Qaeda and ISIS is certainly a better policy than the current US policy of arming every random jihadist in the area.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 09:42:36 PM »

In hindsight: LOL.

BTW she's getting absolutely thrashed on DailyKos which was a very pro-Sanders site. So much for the OP's premise.

DailyKos is most definitely now a 3rd way establishment hack site.
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jfern
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 09:48:39 PM »


You mean you realized that not every 2016 Sanders voter is a deranged jfern-style lunatic or Reddit cultist and that there might actually be issues at work in 2020 more important than whoever so and so endorsed four years ago?

Oh yes, important issues like whether Minneapolis has a Russian Art Museum.
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