The Next DNC Chair: TOM PEREZ WINS, makes Ellison deputy chair

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So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.

Yes, it's been known that Perez is a huge proponent of divisive identity politics to destroy progressives. If he is the DNC chair, we'll know the 2020 primary will be at least as rigged as the 2016 one, and there's no point in bothering with the party any more.

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So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.

Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

I hated his guts before he announced. You seem to think destructive and divisive identity politics to destroy progressives is OK. Well, if the DNC elects Perez, they can have fun losing without us. Perez is so toxic that I'd even prefer DWS to him.

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Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.

I see you still support Trump and are working hard for his re-election.

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Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.

I see you still support Trump and are working hard for his re-election.

Uh, no, I voted for Clinton to stop Trump. You threw a tantrum and voted for Kremlin-puppet Jill Stein.

So you voted for a Chinese puppet instead? Great job!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

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Am I the only one who likes Perez, Ellison, and Buttigieg, and thinks any of the three would do a fine job?

They're all fine, and I wish people wouldn't be freaking out so much over what is a pretty meaningless position in the grand scheme of things. I think the DNC should probably elect Ellison just to throw the Bernie folks a bone and keep the focus on Trump and the Republicans instead of divisions within the party.

All three are honestly wasted on the DNC Chair.  Should just be a random party bureaucrat. Don't need to waste any of our rising stars on it.

The last "random party bureaucrat" was Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The party doesn't need another one.

Actually it's Donna Brazile, feeder of debate questions to the Hillary campaign.

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Oh my god, it's just a fu.cking chairman.

And the establishment won't even let us have that!

And Ellison is bending over backwards for the Hillary people anyways.

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We can't get rid of big money in politics until there is a liberal majority in the supreme court. Most candidates can't compete in presidential elections entirely based on individual donations and self-funding. Because these dem candidates can't rely on individual donations, they turn to big money donors in order to compete. The left then gets mad at them for being "corporatists" and don't vote. Dems loose and can't nominate liberal supreme court justices. There's no winning.       

Hillary spent twice as much as Trump and lost. It wasn't the money, it was the candidate.

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If the Democrats pick Perez, they can say goodbye to the Bernie wing. THose people won't be voting Democrat for a long time.

Who are we going to be voting for, then?

A lot won't be voting, and others will write someone in or vote 3rd party. And some Bernie people got so pissed at Hillary that they even voted Trump.

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If the Democrats pick Perez, they can say goodbye to the Bernie wing. THose people won't be voting Democrat for a long time.

Who are we going to be voting for, then?

the green party.

The Greens last cycle were literally not on the ballot for 499.884 of the 500.000 odd electoral offices in the United States. There was no candidate, so you could not vote for them.

Next option?

Yeah, sometimes it's for lack of interest, or sometimes because they make it very hard for someone else to run. Oklahoma is definitely in the latter category, Johnson last year was the first 3rd party on the ballot for President there in a few elections.

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I don't think even Ellison has mentioned anything about the DNC rigging the primaries. But candidate Sam Ronan has.

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If the Democrats pick Perez, they can say goodbye to the Bernie wing. THose people won't be voting Democrat for a long time.

Who are we going to be voting for, then?

the green party.

The Greens last cycle were literally not on the ballot for 499.884 of the 500.000 odd electoral offices in the United States. There was no candidate, so you could not vote for them.

Next option?

Yeah, sometimes it's for lack of interest, or sometimes because they make it very hard for someone else to run. Oklahoma is definitely in the latter category, Johnson last year was the first 3rd party on the ballot for President there in a few elections.

I know.

Indeed, the point is that the two parties have a stranglehold on American democracy.

So which one are we going to pick?

In Vermont, there's the Progressive Party. But in most cases you're not going to have a choice. They have twice as many state legislature seats as every other 3rd party combined.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States#Parties_with_state_representation

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I hope they pick Buttigieg... he would do the best job & neither side would be completely pissed about the results.  

Buttigieg is a Millennial, Rhodes Scholar, Naval Intelligence Officer... who has engineered one of the best City-turnaround stories in the Country as Mayor of a MidWestern City (where he is in charge of over 1000 employees).  ... And he is Outside of Washington & less polarizing than Ellison or Perez.

Why would the Hillary side be pissed that the candidate whom the majority of the Senators who endorsed Hillary in the primary (and endorsed in this race) endorsed? Said candidate has been bending over backwards for Hillary people. If that isn't enough for the Hillary hacks, then the party needs to join the Whigs.

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This is totally ridiculous. Both of the Establishment wing and the Progressive wing need to realize that calling each other out will not form unity. It prolongs the chaos. We're already a "minority party" nationally and in most states.

Perez winning will definitely not be the end of the world. If you are a Sanders Loyalist, don't let it get to you and not participate in anything of Democrats. Sanders Loyalists are already attempting to take over parties in some places w/o the help of anyone.

The Establishment Wing needs to give space for Progressive Wingers a voice within the party. Admit it. We need something fresh in many states in which the GOP has taken advantage. We need to join forces, grow up, and win elections again.

*Also, the DNC race isn't the most important race right now. It's the federal and statewide races for the next couple of years to worry about.

The DNC rigged the primary and then tried to start a new cold war with Russia to distract people when they got busted. The idea that progressives and the 3rd way establishment are somehow on the same team is ridiculous.

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It seems many Democrats can't discuss differences of opinion or vision for the future of the party without lots of insults. I guess this is yet another reason why we lose elections and can't have nice things.

I'm with Gass in that I supported Sanders and currently support Ellison, but even if Perez becoming chair represents a symbolic victory for the establishment, why is that the end of the world? It's not like Perez is a corporate centrist shill, and it's not like Senators like Sanders will become invisible. Change generally does come from the bottom up, and what's far more important that who becomes the chair of the DNC is who shows up to vote in 2017 and 2018.

I feel like the Bernie wing of the Democratic party has been fighting tooth and nail every step of the way just to have a voice at the table. It's as if the "old guard" of the DNC is resisting us every step of the way, while at the same time screaming in our faces to "suck it up and stay in line!" Why does the establishment need a symbolic victory? They got to nominate Hillary Clinton, and she lost to Donald Trump of all people. Electing Perez is just going further fracture the party and lead to more of the name calling that you seem to despise.

I keep hearing the "every one of these candidates would be a great DNC chair." But if we're going to be honest with ourselves we all know that isn't true. You can call the Bernie wing childish and unreasonable for wreaking havoc if Ellison isn't elected, but we all know it's going to happen if he loses. This makes Perez objectively a worse choice for party unity. So why not throw "Bernie bros" a symbolic bone and elect Ellison. Everyone seems to think he'll be a great DNC Chair, so what's the problem?

I have a feeling there is something more nefarious at work here.

Establishment Democrats would rather maintain complete power in the party, even at the expense of winning elections.

This is totally ridiculous. Both of the Establishment wing and the Progressive wing need to realize that calling each other out will not form unity. It prolongs the chaos. We're already a "minority party" nationally and in most states.

Perez winning will definitely not be the end of the world. If you are a Sanders Loyalist, don't let it get to you and not participate in anything of Democrats. Sanders Loyalists are already attempting to take over parties in some places w/o the help of anyone.

The Establishment Wing needs to give space for Progressive Wingers a voice within the party. Admit it. We need something fresh in many states in which the GOP has taken advantage. We need to join forces, grow up, and win elections again.

*Also, the DNC race isn't the most important race right now. It's the federal and statewide races for the next couple of years to worry about.

State legislative races are the most important class of election IMO. Who makes state laws, including determining the power of statewide office holders? State legislatures. Who redistricts? State legislatures. Who decides how a state allocates its electoral votes? State legislatures. Who passes Constitutional amendments? State legislatures. Where do candidates for Governor, Congress, and other statewide and federal office even come from? Often, state legislatures.

A DNC chair who gives a sh**t about downballot races will obviously help. Kaine dropped the ball so hard in the 2010 redistricting cycle.

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Emails are going out questioning Ellison's commitment to Jews. They are dirty as ...

Such a weak accusation. 3 of the 10 sitting Senators who endorsed Ellison are Jewish.

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Sherrod Brown is almost certainly going to lose in 2018. Don't know why people keep mentioning him.

Surely having a race-baiting neoliberal in charge of the DNC will help Sherrod Brown.

/snark

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Bernie Bros -sour  grapes and sore losers.

Your side has 100% control of the party, but have fun losing without us.

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So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.

Didn't Sanders also say that Clinton was unqualified to be Commander in chief?

No offense, but are you stupid or something?  This clown, after the New Hampshire primary sent Podesta an email saying that Bernie may have the youth vote but we can try and create a narrative that he only has the white youth vote, which would play well in South Carolina (his exact words).

This is Dirty Politics 101, the kind of tactics I usually expect from Republicans, not someone leading the Democratic party.  It is dishonest because I am sure this punk knows Bernie wasn't racist, and extremely hurtful to many progressives who were portrayed essentially as white supremacists.

If you're happy with this a-hole, fine, be my guest.  But Perez doesn't give a f*** for anyone but himself and his bosses.

Given how credible you take this source to be, I'm sure you won't condemn any Trumpist who uses Breitbart news or anything equivalent.

The DKIM verified e-mail is here. Tom Perez sees identity politics as something that can be used in a divide and conquer manner against progressives.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4429

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THAT BASTARD

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LOL, Wikileaks?!  Is this the same group that won't release anything critical of their boy Trump?  And you consider them a reliable source?

Of course their DKIM verified e-mails are a reliable source. Much more reliable than any of your sources.

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Bernie Bros -sour grapes and sore losers.

Goodbye punk.  Keep insulting people.  It will surely help you win elections.  Pathetic.

Oh, I'm so sorry, did you Bernie Bros somehow feel entitled to this position?

Oh, I'm so sorry, did you 3rd way establishment hacks somehow feel entitled to winning elections?

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Still can't believe how outraged our True Leftist (is that better?) friends are hyperventilating over this.

You really think you can have us behave like sheep and vote for a party that is our enemy? Good luck without us.

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Still can't believe how outraged our True Leftist (is that better?) friends are hyperventilating over this.

You really think you can have us behave like sheep and vote for a party that is our enemy? Good luck without us.

Im sorry when did Perez who back in the summer was viewed as "left wing nut" when mentioned as a Hillary vp become the "progressive enemy"?

They called Obama a communist. Just because some idiots think that some neoliberal TPP supporter is somehow left wing doesn't make it so.

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Still can't believe how outraged our True Leftist (is that better?) friends are hyperventilating over this.

You really think you can have us behave like sheep and vote for a party that is our enemy? Good luck without us.

Honestly, the Democratic Party is better off without you.  Not without Berniecrats, they are and will remain a major part of the coalition. But they're certainly better off without you specifically.

Classy.

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Still can't believe how outraged our True Leftist (is that better?) friends are hyperventilating over this.

You really think you can have us behave like sheep and vote for a party that is our enemy? Good luck without us.

Honestly, the Democratic Party is better off without you.  Not without Berniecrats, they are and will remain a major part of the coalition. But they're certainly better off without you specifically.

Classy.

Haven't you joined the California Green Party yet?  With the California GOP as insignificant as the U.K. Labour Party has become under Jeremy Corbyn, it may become the only opposition party in the state.  They could use zealots like you.  We certainly can do without you.

Just like Hillary's brilliant campaign of winning without progressives or the white working class? How'd that work out?

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Still can't believe how our True Leftist (is that better?) friends are hyperventilating over this.

I'm not surprised; you seem to think that everything is fine.

Everything. Is. Not. Fine.

3rd wayers like Frodo who control the party can't help but 3rd way splain to powerless progresssives that they should suck up and vote for their corrupt neoliberal corporate candidates who always throw progressives under the bus. Progressives are done being sh**t on. They couldn't even choose a candidate who bent over backwards for Hillary people, backed off from his no corporate money pledge,k and had the support of a lot of Hillary people. Because the 3rd way would rather lose without progressives than give the slightest bit of power to progressives.