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« on: March 12, 2016, 06:23:09 PM »

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 06:27:10 PM »

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 06:30:05 PM »

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.
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jfern
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E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 06:32:51 PM »

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.

Who cares? That's not how democracy and elections work.

It's how caucuses work. Obama did much better in later rounds 8 years ago.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 07:04:23 PM »

How do these conventions actually do anything to the popular vote and the delegates?

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that. There are 3 rounds of delegates, precincts, county, and national. Today the precinct delegates elect county delegates.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 07:22:23 PM »


Bernie tended to do best in the large Democratic counties, which have fewer delegates per resident, and especially fewer delegates per voter.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 07:27:20 PM »


Bernie tended to do best in the large Democratic counties, which have fewer delegates per resident, and especially fewer delegates per voter.
I guess I can understand why you are so pathetically misguided if that is what you consider evidence.

I love how Hillary supporters just randomly insult when they're losing an argument.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 07:32:32 PM »

Apparently the official count is 144 delegates for both Clinton and Sanders. Looks more like Sanders is abusing the caucus process than Clinton. Turning a 52-47 Clinton win into a 50-50 tie.

Precinct delegates are mostly normal people who can change their mind. Bernie is doing better now than he was doing before results came in on February 1st. I knew there was a decent chance Bernie would win Iowa in the end, but Hillary supporters are just in denial.
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E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 08:19:34 PM »

Apparently the official count is 144 delegates for both Clinton and Sanders. Looks more like Sanders is abusing the caucus process than Clinton. Turning a 52-47 Clinton win into a 50-50 tie.

Precinct delegates are mostly normal people who can change their mind. Bernie is doing better now than he was doing before results came in on February 1st. I knew there was a decent chance Bernie would win Iowa in the end, but Hillary supporters are just in denial.

The Bernie folks and trying to make it hard for the Hillary folks so that they'll leave...

https://twitter.com/TanyaKeith/status/708808123532713984

It's amazing how the Sanders campaign is constantly whining about how the evil Clintonites are trying to steal the election when it's them that constantly engage in dirty tricks.

The replies to that tweet indicate they're full of sh**t.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2016, 10:58:52 PM »

Well, we can obviously trust the state party run by someone with a license plate of HRC2016.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2016, 11:09:37 PM »

Well, we can obviously trust the state party run by someone with a license plate of HRC2016.
Just get over it.  Goddamn, you make people hate Bernie more and more everyday.

And people like Landslide Lyndon don't make you hate Hillary? What a joke.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2016, 11:17:43 PM »

Looks like Clinton 511 County delegates to 503 for Sanders which breakss out to 115-113 state level delegates.  The state delegte equiv's appear to have been 121-105-2 on Election night.  

Wow, that's a huge change.

Trying to see if I can find county delegate data for Polk from Election Day to see if it would give any indication if the change had to do with more Bernie delegates showing up than Clinton ones, or if it would show that some Clinton delegates may have switched.

County Delegates elected from the Polk County precinct caucuses were 638 Clinton, 554 Sanders, 8 O'Malley (1200 total). Only 1040 delegates showed in Polk today. Based on the final count, Sanders lost 45 while Clinton lost 107.

So a net -62 for Hillary, certainly enough to swing the state should things hold relatively the same.

Looks like she picked up ground elsewhere, some slight changes on the CD level, but the state level is basically where we were


http://iowademocrats.org/iowa-democratic-county-convention-results/

Good. It would've been ugly if the results were significantly altered, in either direction.

But apparently, this isn't even Iowa's final form. FFS.

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Funny how we didn't hear anything about the counties were Hillary gained? It's only a 11 hour crazy marathon of trying to get people to leave when Bernie gains.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 03:59:39 AM »
« Edited: March 13, 2016, 04:01:29 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Here's an image of the original counts before Hillary hacks spent hours stalling so that they could disenfranchise voters. Of course they told Bernie supporters they could leave.



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