Dean Says Dems Must Change Their Outreach to Blacks and Other Minorities

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Opebo: shut up

Back to the news item... odd thing about Dean is that despite everything, everynow and again he get's something spot on.

Despite what?

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The Democratic Party has severe structural problems. Their reliance on minorities and special interest groups is so complete that if their base softens just a bit- as happened in 2004 among blacks and, to a much greater extent, Hispanics- they will lose. A few words from the great Mr. Dean won't solve this problem.

Exactly, but I'd also add single, childless, affluent, whites in declining urban areas.

Republicans are really using abortion to their advantage. Educated liberals have abortions. Uneducated conservatives don't.

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Republicans are really using abortion to their advantage. Educated liberals have abortions. Uneducated conservatives don't.

Elitist prick. That's inaccurate as well- do you think inner-city blacks that vote Democratic (if they vote at all) are really "educated liberals"? Or are those individuals with incomes of over $100,000 who voted for Bush (a majority, I might add) "uneducated"? Enlighten us, please.

Yawn. Look at the birth rates. They're much higher in conservative areas.

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The high birth rates aren't necessarily from "conservatives". In fact, in most cases it's likely the opposite.

And I'm still waiting for that no brilliant analysis of "uneducated conservatives" and "educated liberals" you hinted at. Come on. I'd love to see you explain it.

High education is correlated with low birth rates.


Here are teen birth rates. They're above 38 per thousand in all Bush states except MT, ND, UT, NE, IA, and below 38 per thousand in all Kerry states except CA, HI, DE, DC.
http://www.teenpregnancy.org/america/statisticsDisplay.asp?ID=4&sID=44


In 2000, Bush won the 19 states with the highest white birth rates.
http://www.isteve.com/2000_Bush_Won_19_States_with_Highest_White_Birthrates.htm

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High education is correlated with low birth rates.


Here are teen birth rates. They're above 38 per thousand in all Bush states except MT, ND, UT, NE, IA, and below 38 per thousand in all Kerry states except CA, HI, DE, DC.
http://www.teenpregnancy.org/america/statisticsDisplay.asp?ID=4&sID=44

Um, I wasn't disputing that the bulk of them are in "Bush states". I was making the point that a great deal of these births happened among people likely to vote Democratic.

Oh, and I'll quote myself here:

And I'm still waiting for that no brilliant analysis of "uneducated conservatives" and "educated liberals" you hinted at. Come on. I'd love to see you explain it.

Although I won't bump the thread up and call you a "g liar" if you don't answer within 15 minutes (as you did with Carl Hayden once), I really would like to see your reasoning here.

Carl Hayden had lied about me, so I only had to wait 0 seconds to call him a ing liar.

Obviously educated people have fewer children. Do I really have to find the statistics that prove that?

Gore state women have 1.89 children per capita vs. 2.11 children for the Bush 2000 states. I can't find any actual numbers comparing liberals and conservatives.

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Bob, did you see my post? The extremity of Utah is pretty glaring. Also, it's possible that religiousity and not conservatism could be what is really important.

I actually didn't see your post. It's true that Utah is a a major example of conservative virility, but as you rightly point out, that is due to the peculiarities of the Mormon religion rather than any traits of conservatism.

I wouldn't dispute that religion is the deciding factor of birth rates, but this issue deserves a major study rather than an argument on a political forum.

Jfern, I wasn't arguing that more educated people don't have fewer children on average. I was arguing that those educated people you praise were likely to vote for Bush (excepting those with post-graduate degrees, a small percentage), while the "uneducated people" you denigrate were likely to vote for Kerry.

Education was positively correlated with voting for Kerry in the nation as a whole, although it's negatively correlated in the South.