Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC

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Hillary was open to banning some partial birth abortions in 2000, supported DOMA and DADT (Bernie voted against both) made a speech in favor of traditional marriage, and didn't support SSM until 2013. Very disappointing endorsements.

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It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

There was zero talk of a constitutional amendment on SSM in 1996. He bragged about passing it when running for election. The claim that they had to do it is completely dishonest. And a majority of Democrats voted against the terrible DADT. Neither was good at all.

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It's widely known that the Bill Clinton acquiesced to Don't Ask Don't Tell to help alleviate discrimination of closeted service member and the Defense of Marriage Act in order to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. He was an enthusiastic supporter of neither, but he didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, especially in the case of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

There was zero talk of a constitutional amendment on SSM in 1996. He bragged about passing it when running for election. The claim that they had to do it is completely dishonest. And a majority of Democrats voted against the terrible DADT. Neither was good at all.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was definitely an improvement over the anti-gay witch-hunts that had characterized the military until then.

Not much of an improvement, and almost half the House Democrats including Bernie voted against it at the time in 1993.

https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/15579#.Vp88lH_R-zd

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Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.

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The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.

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Clinton has been more of leader on defending reproductive rights than Sanders has been, particularly as far as this campaign is concerned.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/hillary-clintons-new-defense-of-abortion-rights.html

As for the HRC endorsement, I don't see her record on gay rights as better than Sanders.

The thing is Hillary said she was open to banning some partial birth abortion in 2000. Bernie has been consistently pro-choice since at least the early 1970s.

Read the article.  Sanders is a good vote on the issue, but he hasn't been out front on reproductive rights the way Clinton has been in this campaign.

He went to Liberty U and told them he's pro-choice and pro SSM and that this country was founded on racism, it's not like he hides from his views. And while abortion is one of the few issues Hillary isn't terrible on, the fact is that he never said he'd be open to banning partial birth abortions.

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I think we are to the point in the campaign where Sanders is starting to sound like a broken record in his dedication to staying on message, regardless of the question. And of course, when you have little interesting to say beyond a few talking points, your answers don't always end up being the most polished. This is definitely a gaff and is ripe for an attack ad imo.

This exactly. Everything comes back to being about the "establishment" with him.

HRC is an establishment hack group. Endorsed Joe Lieberman? Enough said.

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I think we are to the point in the campaign where Sanders is starting to sound like a broken record in his dedication to staying on message, regardless of the question. And of course, when you have little interesting to say beyond a few talking points, your answers don't always end up being the most polished. This is definitely a gaff and is ripe for an attack ad imo.

This exactly. Everything comes back to being about the "establishment" with him.

HRC is an establishment hack group. Endorsed Joe Lieberman? Enough said.

I'm not sure what your point is, considering he had one of the strongest pro-choice records at the time. He also almost blocked the Healthcare Bill in 2009 because he wouldn't support any provision that would weaken the reproductive rights components of the Bill.

He might be way to the right on military and foreign policy, but that doesn't mean he's awful in all contexts.

HRC has nothing to do with abortion. We're talking about gay rights. Joe Lieberman wasn't the candidate in the 2000 Vice Presidential debate who supported civil unions. That was Dick Cheney.

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Bernie's supporters are causing much more harm then good on the HRC facebook page. Lots of abusive and downright nasty comments towards the group singularly most responsible for equal rights for gay people in the United States.

It's moments like this that show me the Sanders people (both campaign and supporters) just don't get politics. They either think they're better than retail politics (which is dirty at times) or they're complaining about conspiracies and the establishment.

Sanders didn't really attack, but it was clumsy and gave the Clinton campaign something to hit him with.

The Hillary campaign doesn't need facts to attack. They can just make something up like he's sexist,  wants to dismantle ObamaCare,, or his healthcare plan will cost $18 trillion.

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The Hillary campaign doesn't need facts to attack. They can just make something up like he's sexist,  wants to dismantle ObamaCare,, or his healthcare plan will cost $18 trillion.

I mean, normally when we talk about the "cost" of a policy, we talk about the cost over 10 years, and single payer healthcare would definitely cost way over 18 trillion dollars. His (sketchy) estimation is that it will cost just under 41 trillion, but a more realistic estimation is somewhere around 50-60 trillion dollars.

I rest my case.

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Wow he finally does something good but he doesn't do it for all the right reasons, but still some. The abortion and social liberalism lobby

LOL, Bernie isn't shying away from supporting SSM and being pro-choice. He even made a point of mentioning those views when he spoke at Liberty U.

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Bernie's supporters are causing much more harm then good on the HRC facebook page. Lots of abusive and downright nasty comments towards the group singularly most responsible for equal rights for gay people in the United States.

I see you ignored my piece about DOMA on the previous page, and how the Clintons didn't start selling the whole "it was passed to prevent something worse from happening" narrative until last year; that it was instead signed to ameliorate re-election concerns in 1996. Other than giving speeches to LGBT-friendly organizations and engaging in intangible diplomatic discussions, both Clintons have next to no record on pushing for or achieving equal (LGBT) rights. Where do you get this?

HRC being the Human Rights Campaign. I didn't respond to your comment about DOMA since it's a tired argument that basically amounts to a "he said, she said." Also, "next to no record" definitely ignores Don't Ask, Don't Tell, which was major progress for the rights of gay people in the military.

No one is buying this attempt of the Clintons to rewrite history. More evidence that Hillary deserves her 60% not honest or trustworthy rating.